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    Hello Everyone!

    I was just curious if one of you tech experts could make some suggestions to help my rig run Rift much better. Please check out my signature for rig details.

    I would like to spend ~$150, but I guess ~$50 above that amount wouldn't be too bad.

    I run this game decently with a few of the settings turned a little bit lower, but I would like a little more power and detail while not affecting overall FPS.

    Any help/suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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    I recently upgraded to an ati 6800 series and the graphics are much better than when I was using the 4800 series.

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    Cool! I'll look into it! It's been about 2 years since I've upgraded my card, so I definitely need an upgrade
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    6850 2GB unlocked to 6870 or look at the GTX570. A bit out of your price range but if you want to run with all the bells 'n' whistles it doesn't come cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by C-BuZz View Post
    6850 2GB unlocked to 6870 or look at the GTX570. A bit out of your price range but if you want to run with all the bells 'n' whistles it doesn't come cheap.
    You mean the 6950 unlocked to a 6970

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    Your system is fine, it's not Top Dog but still a rather nice system.. you CPU is more than capable, the 4850 X2 is about equal in performance to a 6850/5850 so at around $150-200 you would only be doing a "side grade", ie getting the same performance from one card (6850 or 5850) that your 4850 X2 is capable of. Of course you would see a lil reduction in power savings, possibly over all heat (and power)... heres a review of a 4850 CF vs 6850 should give you an idea of what your GPU is comparatively vs newer "midrange" cards. One of my systems moved from a 4890 "down" to a 5770 for improved cooling, heat, power and the addition of Eyefinity.. then I added a 2nd 5770 in Crossfire for 5870/GTX470 performance at half the cost.

    For the most part:

    GTS 450 < 4850=5750 < 4870=5770 < GTX 460/465 < 5850/6850 < 6870 < GTX 470/560 < 6950 < GTX 570 < 6970 < GTX 580

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    CF two 6850's that'll offer a nice bit of performance without breaking the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabban View Post
    CF two 6850's that'll offer a nice bit of performance without breaking the bank.
    This is mixed opinion, but I thought that it was always better to run just one powerful card over SLi or CF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirPent View Post
    Your system is fine, it's not Top Dog but still a rather nice system.. you CPU is more than capable, the 4850 X2 is about equal in performance to a 6850/5850 so at around $150-200 you would only be doing a "side grade", ie getting the same performance from one card (6850 or 5850) that your 4850 X2 is capable of. Of course you would see a lil reduction in power savings, possibly over all heat (and power)... heres a review of a 4850 CF vs 6850 should give you an idea of what your GPU is comparatively vs newer "midrange" cards. One of my systems moved from a 4890 "down" to a 5770 for improved cooling, heat, power and the addition of Eyefinity.. then I added a 2nd 5770 in Crossfire for 5870/GTX470 performance at half the cost.

    For the most part:

    GTS 450 < 4850=5750 < 4870=5770 < GTX 460/465 < 5850/6850 < 6870 < GTX 470/560 < 6950 < GTX 570 < 6970 < GTX 580
    Thanks for the reply man. My system is just average at this point in time, and it definitely gets the job done, but I can only imagine how amazing the game looks with full settings *drool. I figured that with my budget that the new card would only be a side grade, but I always like getting input from the people that keep up to date with new GPU technology and such ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadrocTheRadOrc View Post
    This is mixed opinion, but I thought that it was always better to run just one powerful card over SLi or CF.
    there's a review on tomshardware.com on the 6950/6970 cards where in the benchmarks they have a single 6950/6970 and two 6850's in CF setup. the 6850's blew the 6900 cards away in performance.

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    If you're running a res of 1680x1050 or lower don't get the 2gb version... will see virtually no gain in performance vs the 1gb version... unless there is very little price difference. I run cf'd 5870 with a qx9770 @ 3.8.. run all settings on max... so higher than ultra i suppose and I get a steady 60fps... with v-sync on. I play at 1680x1050 btw.
    Last edited by MawnteyCarlo; 02-08-2011 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadrocTheRadOrc View Post
    This is mixed opinion, but I thought that it was always better to run just one powerful card over SLi or CF.
    yep it's a very mixed field for sure.. some people swear that single > multi due to "microstutter" as an excuse w/o truly understanding what the underlying issue is and use the whole "microstutter" as a blanket excuse. Others prefer the economical route, instead buying 2 cards that are less than half that when added in CFX/SLI are greater than the single GPU. They both have their points.. with multiple GPUs you are a bit more at the mercy of the manufacturer (ATI/NV) for driver support especially where games need SLI or CF to be profiled, then again a game can run like crap on a single GPU if not properly profiled of a developer uses one technique that is proprietary to one GPU and not to another.

    All things being equal though, IF someone feels comfortable with going multiple graphics cards, they will get the better "bang for the buck" however in the long term a single high end GPU can always be paired with another down the road... though very unlikely as with most generational jumps, its cheaper to get a newer midrange part that performs equal to the previous gen high end. For example look at the GTX 480 vs GTX 570 vs GTX 460.. IF you bought a single GTX 480 @ $499-550 last year thinking you could add a second card for cheaper later on for "double the power" your're looking at 500 (initial cost) + 400 (now cost) vs two GTX 460s ($199 X2) that gave over GTX 480 performance at a significant savings. Now look at the GTX 570 at $350, its performance is about dead even with the GTX 480 (it is after all more or less a relabeled GTX 480) yet costs less than the GTX 480 and what 2 GTX 460s would have cost (unless you bought 1 GTX 460 @ 200 then another now at <$150).


    Quote Originally Posted by RadrocTheRadOrc View Post
    Thanks for the reply man. My system is just average at this point in time, and it definitely gets the job done, but I can only imagine how amazing the game looks with full settings *drool. I figured that with my budget that the new card would only be a side grade, but I always like getting input from the people that keep up to date with new GPU technology and such ^^
    Your system may be "average" here on an enthusiast driven technical discussion forum however on the whole as a PC your PC is still rather "new" and very capable of delivering top notch performance in gaming.. contrary to popular belief outside of a single game or two, at resolutions such hardware fanatics play at (1080 or greater), there is very very little Avg FPS difference between a $160 Ph II X4 and a $1000 Core i7 980X. For some its all about bragging rights or "e-pen" size. My system as it currently is a bit dated (2 years old) for high end gaming and I just dropped nearly $1000 in upgrades from newegg (1100T, 6950, 3 1920 HD displays).. however even my "lil ol system" is capable of playing Rift at it's max settings, just not 100% of the time (rifts/invasions) so your's should be equally capable with a tweak here and there, pay no attention to the hardware snobs who think you need at least 4.4Ghz and dual GTX 580s to run Rift "acceptably".


    Quote Originally Posted by Sabban View Post
    there's a review on tomshardware.com on the 6950/6970 cards where in the benchmarks they have a single 6950/6970 and two 6850's in CF setup. the 6850's blew the 6900 cards away in performance.
    Yeah again for the most part 2 mid range parts (HD6800/GTX560) will always trump high end in cost and performance.. it's been that way pretty much since ATI brought competition back to the GPU game with the HD3000 .. 4000 ... 5000. ie 2 5770s = 5870, 2 6850 = 6970. The 6800s are the biggest "BANG for BUCK" going to date when paired in Crossfire.. toppling the GTX 580 at nearly 1/3 less
    Last edited by SirPent; 02-08-2011 at 06:47 PM.

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    Dannnng SirPent (Serpent? ^^ just noticed that),

    Very awesome summary of the logic behind single gpu vs. mutli gpu setups. You have really shined the light upon that subject! +rep if I could give it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadrocTheRadOrc View Post
    Dannnng SirPent (Serpent? ^^ just noticed that),
    (sorry for going OT..)

    I usually try to stick with Sir<XXXX> (SirPent, SirVive, SirCumb etc) dates back to HS days when friends would play D&D and I played the Paladin.. my favorite Char was Sir Cumcision .. lmao he was eventually killed by Count Strad in Ravenloft.. man I was pissed (iirc had a natural 20 Char ;-D <== nerd alert!!)
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    cheap add would be some more ram but that will only do so much
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