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    Default Upgrading/replacing my laptop for RIFT - need tech spec advice please!

    I'm considering either buying a new gaming laptop, or, if it turns out to be practicable, to upgrade my existing laptop.

    I know next to nothing about such machines, but I would like to communicate to the techies at my end what I am looking for.

    Can some kind person therefore please advise me what machine specs would be required to play RIFT:

    a) at full specs during an invasion end-boss scene, with 100-ish players running around.

    b) at minimum specs - but with no slowdown - for the same endboss scenario.

    I believe that should give me upper and lower limits for what I need.



    At the moment I can play solo without too much problem and I've likewise done the odd dungeon.

    But currently invasion end-bosses on my machine are like watching a PowerPoint slideshow presentation.....


    Thanks!
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    I don't have much info to offer, but this may assist you.

    I play rift daily on an i7 Quad core laptop with an Nvidia 310M 1GB dedicated memory (Not shared RAM) inside. The game runs OK in low rendering mode with almost everything off. Rifts with a lot of people usually run OK, but sometimes things can get "slide-showy"

    I also had the chance to try Rift on one of the original Alienware $800 laptops... you know that 13" one. Well it also had a 310M with 1GB RAM, but only a Core 2 Duo at 1.6Ghz. It ran exactly the same as the i7 machine. Low rendering mode, most things off, etc.. Had them side by side for a couple hours. I saw no performace gains going from a 1.6 Ghz core 2 duo to a 3.0 Ghz i7 Quad core

    Both were running Windows 7 64 bit with 4 GB of RAM. (The alienware had DDR2 I believe.)

    So it was probably a GPU bottleneck.

    So it appears, and is somewhat obvious to many PC gaming enthusiasts, That what ever laptop you pick. It's all about the video card.

    BTW i do not recommend an Nvidia 310M for playing Rift. It runs fine for doing EVERYTHING Rift has to offer, except Rifts themselves.

    So I know it's not exactly the info you were looking for, but I hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorskills View Post
    I'm considering either buying a new gaming laptop, or, if it turns out to be practicable, to upgrade my existing laptop.

    I know next to nothing about such machines, but I would like to communicate to the techies at my end what I am looking for.

    Can some kind person therefore please advise me what machine specs would be required to play RIFT:

    a) at full specs during an invasion end-boss scene, with 100-ish players running around.

    b) at minimum specs - but with no slowdown - for the same endboss scenario.

    I believe that should give me upper and lower limits for what I need.



    At the moment I can play solo without too much problem and I've likewise done the odd dungeon.

    But currently invasion end-bosses on my machine are like watching a PowerPoint slideshow presentation.....


    Thanks!
    You don't give any info on your existing machine, you give no budget, nothing. Help us help you.

    I will start with just a basic www.xoticpc.com
    Last edited by Maverick494; 03-19-2011 at 10:48 AM.

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    I will be providing my existing specs in due course, still sorting those out. Although I would suggest that it is essentially unrelated to my original question.

    I have a three-year-old Alienware M9700 with a 19inch screen. It's insanely heavy, and pumps out ***ushima-esque levels of heat, but it has served me well over the years. I use it solely for gaming.

    My budget is substantial, but not unlimited, $1500 +/- a bit.

    AFAICT, a key part of the cost is the screen, so that would be one reason for me to maintain my existing 'shell'.

    So if my understanding is correct, there may be mileage in upgrading my existing laptop, but I am aware that may not be either practical, nor necessarily cost-effective. If not, I have a wide range of choices for a new purchase.

    I travel all the time, so getting something lighter like Alienware's new MX11 has some appeal, but I'm not completely convinced that the screen will be big enough to get the most out of RIFT (though people I have asked seem to think it's fine).

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    your M9700 isn't going to be able to be upgraded enough to be worth the money spent.


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    8.6 lbs with battery, while not light, is not extremely heavy.

    The other option is a 15" laptop, but you trade off the GPU upgrade you can get in that model.
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    Thanks Maverick.

    Your point about the smaller screen limiting the size of the GPU. Is that a problem with most/all laptops, or just this Sager range?

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    I'm a little wary of the 11 inch screen, but here are the Alienware MX11 specs I was looking at, for $1,417.99:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorskills View Post
    I'm a little wary of the 11 inch screen, but here are the Alienware MX11 specs I was looking at, for $1,417.99:



    Edit: the arguably non-essential personalized extras come out to around $100
    Dude, don't get a Dell. Look at the price and features of the 11 inch MX11 and look at the features on a similarly price 15 inch laptop from xoticpc.
    CPU: AMD Phenom II x4 965 3.4 GHz RAM: 8 GB GSkill Ripjaw DDR3 1333 MOBO: Gigabyte GA-MA790GPT-UD3H Case: Cooler Master ATCS 840

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    Thanks. I can't claim to be able to compare the specs with any level of real understanding, but I will definitely show them to someone that knows!

    But ignoring my budget for a moment, will the xoticpc spec listed above run RIFT on full, during an invasion end-boss scene?

    (If not, I will limp on for a few more months until I can afford something that will)

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    I'd recommend you look at the Asus Republic of Gamers options at Amazon. I've got an old generation (as in it's not sandy bridge) with AMD mobility 5870, Blu-ray, 8 gig, 640 gig HD, 17", and it was $1300. I run with environmental shadows off base ultra. I get around 20-30 FPS fairly constantly. Note though that it has less than an hour unplugged and it's huge. Weight isnt as much of an issue as the 16" wide footprint. Though a 15" screen model is only 1" smaller. However, it may have much better battery life, as I think the monitor is the biggest cause of battery drain.

    I'd say unless you absolutely need a laptop go desktop. The 5870 mobile is among the top few chips (new ones on the way but they won't be cheap), but it only matches a lower mainstream desktop card (roughly a 5770).
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    OP you keep saying "on full" do you mean max settings? Because I don't know that there is a laptop that can run Rift on max settings at least not max during an invasion.

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    Thanks Rabbit. I travel all the time so I have to have a laptop.

    The M9700 is a monster. I like the screen, but the weight is a nightmare, especially as you have to take the massive adapter everywhere as well, because it has the battery life of a nanosecond.

    I've enjoyed it, but I would definitely go for something lighter in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorskills View Post
    Thanks Maverick.

    Your point about the smaller screen limiting the size of the GPU. Is that a problem with most/all laptops, or just this Sager range?
    no, the GPU cooling is what is limiting on the size of the laptop. If you got an 8130 you can get a 460M and the 8150 you can get the 460M or the 485Mm but not the 470M in either for some reason. Those are the 15" versions of the one I linked initially.

    that alienware is a piece of junk and you will not be happy with performance. Its way overpriced as all alienware crap is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SWTORlooksbad View Post
    OP you keep saying "on full" do you mean max settings? Because I don't know that there is a laptop that can run Rift on max settings at least not max during an invasion.
    Yes there is. The one I linked already for starters. There are several more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick494 View Post
    Yes there is. The one I linked already for starters. There are several more.
    If I spent another 300-500 bucks upgrading the 8170 you linked, what would you recommend spending the extra on?

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