People crying about OP

[SinfulAce]

Clerics and mages are not OP

If you cant beat them 1v1 then you need to improve. Theres always a counter. And if you cant figure it out then its your problem, for being bad. Dont cry and blame OP when its really only your fault for being bad.

/rant off

[Engine02]

Sadly, you are wrong. Most classes do not have enough interputs to stop clerics from spam healing. There are way too many instant heals in this game. Too many classes rathole u into one build for pvp vs clerics (example u HAVE to be a night blade if your a rogue.). for having the abilty to self heal no class should be able to dps to save there life.

Balance is very skewed in this game. Warriors get a gull heal for 8pts while rogues get a very small and gimped heal for 26 pts(enduring brew).

I hate to bring it up but wow was more balanced in pvp. In wow i knew that if i did everything right i could beat almost any other class if they didnt. As it is there is NO WAY i could beat a cleric unless they are afk or have a very crappy build. No class should be able to not only survive but to solo 3 or 4 people.

Clerics ARE op

[SinfulAce]

Sadly, you are wrong. Most classes do not have enough interputs to stop clerics from spam healing. There are way too many instant heals in this game. Too many classes rathole u into one build for pvp vs clerics (example u HAVE to be a night blade if your a rogue.). for having the abilty to self heal no class should be able to dps to save there life.

Balance is very skewed in this game. Warriors get a gull heal for 8pts while rogues get a very small and gimped heal for 26 pts(enduring brew).

I hate to bring it up but wow was more balanced in pvp. In wow i knew that if i did everything right i could beat almost any other class if they didnt. As it is there is NO WAY i could beat a cleric unless they are afk or have a very crappy build. No class should be able to not only survive but to solo 3 or 4 people.

Clerics ARE op

lol, Sadly, you are mistaken. You are one of the bads. GG. I can kill other clerics naked. As in fully in the nude just a weapon. not level 40s but level 50s

Good players naked? no. But they are a rare breed. Why? because they put the effort into TESTING their own builds and not copy / paste some build they looked up that is supposidly pro.

Go test against X player until you beat them with X build. Learn how to play your class and stop QQing about OP. Nothing is OP 1v1.

[OG_Moge]

Balance is very skewed in this game. PALADINS get a full heal(Lay on hands or some other form of complete heal is part of paladin lore across MMO's and RPG games period) for 8pts while rogues get a very small and gimped heal for 26 pts(enduring brew).

fixed and expanded

[taugrim]

Clerics and mages are not OP

If you cant beat them 1v1 then you need to improve. Theres always a counter. And if you cant figure it out then its your problem, for being bad. Dont cry and blame OP when its really only your fault for being bad.

/rant off

Dalla, come on. As you said to me, you haven't lost a 1v1 in weeks and that you crush anyone of any spec.

2H Shaman/Justicar is a wrecking ball right now: great ability to close gaps, ranged Life damage for Conviction building, charge+snare, strong self and AOE healing, and with crit mechanics and cooldowns basically the spec won't go OOM. IMO it is *the* ultimate 1v1 spec in Rift.

I would play 2H Shaman/Justicar because I love melee healers but it would be so faceroll I'd be bored to death. I actually wish it wasn't as strong as it was because then I would be more motivated to play it.

[SinfulAce]

Dalla, come on. As you said to me, you haven't lost a 1v1 in weeks and that you crush anyone of any spec.

2H Shaman/Justicar is a wrecking ball right now: great ability to close gaps, ranged Life damage for Conviction building, charge+snare, strong self and AOE healing, and with crit mechanics and cooldowns basically the spec won't go OOM. IMO it is *the* ultimate 1v1 spec in Rift.

I would play 2H Shaman/Justicar because I love melee healers but it would be so faceroll I'd be bored to death. I actually wish it wasn't as strong as it was because then I would be more motivated to play it.

if a good mana drainer comes along its over. once at 0 mana unless you pot it your done. Easily countered, just no one plays the spec.

A good rogue with alot of CC or heal Debuffs can do it as well.. Or a dominator mage, if you cant get any convictions off, or cant attack fast enough to gain conviction its over. The silences/stuns are brutal.

Again, no one plays these specs much, or puts much effort into experimenting with them to get the best build for said setups. It is sad that I have to spell it out for people.

Boom used to have a very good melee spec who beat me consistantly BUT I expermented adapted, and then I came up with my new build which has been unbeatable 1v1 thus far... always came very close to beating me still with my new build but couldn't do it after i perfected my build.., If not for my gear I would have lost. I think he changed it now and is much worse IMO, but you rogues should learn from his old build.
I had to experiment with about 3-4 different builds before stumbeling upon the one I have now... You need to experiment people, spend the plat if you wanna get better. Stop the QQ and test your own play style.

I told my build to guildies, and they cant do the same thing as me Infact they said it is bad. Why? because its my playstyle. They need something to fit them. So stop leaching off others playstyles, Make your own and get good.

[taugrim]

if a good mana drainer comes along its over. once at 0 mana unless you pot it your done. Easily countered, just no one plays the spec.

A good rogue with alot of CC can do it as well.. Or a dominator mage, if your cant get any convictions off, or cant attack fast enough to gain conviction its over. The silences/stuns are brutal.

Here's the thing. Your spec can handle any opponent of any class or spec, with a high likelihood of winning. There is 1 Mage spec, 1 Warrior spec (VK), and I don't know about Rogue. That Dominator Mage is fairly squishy. That VK Warrior's healing capability can't touch yours.

If you don't see the asymmetry, you don't see it.

Based on our chat in-game, I figured you were objective about how strong your spec's mechanics are.

You are a good player playing a killer spec.

[SinfulAce]

Here's the thing. Your spec can handle any opponent of any class or spec, with a high likelihood of winning. There is 1 Mage spec, 1 Warrior spec (VK), and I don't know about Rogue. That Dominator Mage is fairly squishy. That VK Warrior's healing capability can't touch yours.

If you don't see the asymmetry, you don't see it.

Based on our chat in-game, I figured you were objective about how strong your spec's mechanics are.

You are a good player playing a killer spec.

You can strip buffs off delaying attacks, delaying heals because one of them is a hit heal (salvation) delaying attacks for rebuffing means less conviction to heal with while your still doing damage., and some warriors in warfronts from briarcliff can deplete my mana VERY fast. Sometimes in just a few seconds. ussualy its in a gank , and ive never encountered it 1v1 because they are wfs. But I do believe if 1v1 they would win IF they get the mana gone in a few seconds.

[taugrim]

You can strip buffs off delaying attacks, delaying heals

Yes, debuffing certain classes, in particular Justicars, renders them useless. I am running an 11-point VK spec now strictly for that purpose, it really disrupts healers.

[SinfulAce]

Yes, debuffing certain classes, in particular Justicars, renders them useless. I am running an 11-point VK spec now strictly for that purpose, it really disrupts healers.

when I can kill people naked... that is bad. I have so far solo killed a number of people naked... infact I havent lost a 1v1 naked yet either lol.

And note, they just simply cant hit me. Its lack of player skill. Nothing to do with OP.

Ive also camped 2 rogues IN Stillmoor with guards on me naked... Its pretty sad, the lack of skill some players have then want to complain about OP.The 2 rogues will remain nameless, even though they did talk trash. I am not going to start any more nonsence with people and let them think what they want.

[taugrim]

when I can kill people naked... that is bad. I have so far solo killed a number of people naked... infact I havent lost a 1v1 naked yet either lol.

You're confusing gear, skill, and ability mechanics.

Your Doctrines heal effectively even naked. That has nothing to do with gear or skill.

[Tarshana]

You were naked with three people at the port in Stillmore earlier. I was trying to get you 1 on 1....

[Engine02]

Any topic start by Dalla regard clerics not being op is already skewed. Its like Letting berny madoff hold my wallet. Dalla is a ******, and gets little respect. I play a mage and i would admit that pyro needs nerfing. Too bad Dalla can't get past his ego to do the same with clerics.

[Flusk]

Clerics need a buff.

[Marok]

Sorry Dalla but if you are getting run out of mana with a Sham/Just build you are doing something wrong. With both Ageless Ice and Purpose available your mana should be at 100% uptime no matter what debuff gets tossed at you. In my current melee cleric build I have never seen my mana drop below 95% no matter what is thrown at me or what skills I am abusing.

The only weakness of the build that I have found short of being focused down by multiple players are stuns, silences and fears. And even those don't necessarily mean instant death. With the DR changes coming next Tuesday in the patch those become even less of a concern, and if one goes the Templar route for the 3rd soul they become a non consideration.

I am still experimenting and have gone through 5 different builds so far, and have yet to settle on one that is on par with what I am looking for. I am getting closer though.

Have fun ;)!