Reserving Items

[Expax]

Good morning everyone!

There is something becoming more common on our server I am hoping we can move away from, which is not letting individuals know the loot rules at the beginning. If items are reserved do let everyone know at the beginning of the raid not when the items drop. This has caused a lot of drama lately in level 50 chat-defiant side. So as being one of the best and greatest servers in RIFT I am hoping we can move together to discourage such behavior in order to keep a friendly and positive environment on our server. Granted most of the drama caused lately has been from cross-server guild transfers, but I believe we all can make a positive impact by discouraging such behavior.

BTW I am not discounting the validity or the benefits of raids doing reserved items, what I am encouraging is that when bringing in pugs to please let the loot rules be known from the beginning.

[FACE]

If you're gonna be reserving potential drops then yes please let me know at the beginning ....so I can just leave then.

[darknsss]

Reserving is ok since the person is actualy the one making the group and giving strats for the most part but atleast let other players know about it.

[jadakin]

Reserving is ok since the person is actualy the one making the group and giving strats for the most part but atleast let other players know about it.

If you need to PuG, those peeps should have an equal chance at loot.

As said before, let it be know at the beginning for sure so I can leave also.

[Expax]

I don't think anyone is arguing whether reserving items is a good or bad practice; in truth that is something left up to the loot master and the raid to decide on. What this thread is encouraging, and so far I do believe we are all in agreement on is the importance of establishing loot rules at the beginning of raids. This is particular importance when you are pugging individuals from outside of one's group.

[Fritzlfire]

If you need to PuG, those peeps should have an equal chance at loot.

As said before, let it be know at the beginning for sure so I can leave also.

Sometimes my server chain runs raid rifts. Everyone who brings a lure gets to have 1 item that drops from the rift they open.

People who don't bring lures lose out on a roll on 1 out of the 3 or 4 items that drop.

Just because you want to never open a raid rift with your souls or planarite doesn't mean no one else does. I WANT TO ROLL ON ALL OF THE LOOT WHETHER I CONTRIBUTE TO THE GROUP OR NOT.

Without a lure there is no rift, with a small incentive there are more lures which turn into more loot for everyone.

[Smitherton]

It's your lure and do as you please. Just be sure people know what the rules are before hand. I would suggest allowing people to donate a corrupted soul for rolling rights if the concern is that corrupted souls for forming the lures are running low. Corrupted souls are so readily available that anyone that complains about the donation is probably someone you don't want in the raid anyhow. For those that don't care about the dropped items, they won't have to contribute anything either.

I really don't understand people complaining about not being able to roll on 1/3 items especially when they didnt contribute to forming the lure. The main point of the daily raid rifts is the sourcestone and the vendor bought essences are better (at least for clerics) anyhow. It really sounds like people with terrible gear complaining that they cant leech off the raid as much as they would like. If you don't like the loot rules then simply leave instead of stirring up a bunch of nonsense about how you are entitled to loot.

I do have an issue to add regarding these pug raid rifts. The one time I attended one of these "reserved item" pug raid rifts the people organizing didnt have enough of their own tanks and clearly didnt know how to handle the water raid rift. The net result was wasted time for all participants. If you plan to host an event, then do your homework and actually learn the strats if you dont know them and don't rely on unknown pugs for keys roles such as tanking.

[Lucinia]

I think this is getting slightly off topic. I don't think the OP intends this to be a discussion on it being right/wrong to reserve loot. Go ahead reserve all the loot that you want. The problem is that there seems to be groups that are not mentioning the reserved loot until AFTER the raid is formed, stuff is killed, and sometimes during looting. There's been a lot of flaming and arguing in 50 chat because of this.

The folks that put in the effort and time to organize the raid, use their materials for the lures, etc -- have every right to reserve loot. Just let people know what's on reserve before you get them out there. Because this wastes people's time as well. If you can't fill the raid with only guildmates/friends and have to rely on picking people up, they're contributing something as well -- their time.

[SirZac]

I'm not going to name any names, but TPO members have the guilds doing this earmarked, only because they've been consistent in this. I believe this server has a great Defiant community, but I'd assume you'll see your guild starve for help from the server if this persists. So stop ninja hoarding.

[Expax]

Well since I am the original OP for this thread My main focus of this thread was an encouragement for individuals to establish and state loot rules before initiating the encounter. So lets try to keep the flames down to a minimum boys and girls Hopefully we are all adults.

But this is starting to become more common on our server where individuals do not express the loot rules at the beginning. As some of you are aware we had another flame war in 50 chat today when another group/individual did this (no clue if they were connected with the other group).

I guess at this point before beginning in an encounter, perhaps we can encourage our folks to make sure to ask for the loot rules if not stated already.

[Sarathor]

I reserve all TPO loot from here on out.

I CALLED IT :O!

[jadakin]

The argument about lures and strat to run the raid is weak. We all know the strats. We all can get lures. Srsly, it's so easy. The only thing you can't do yourself is clear the content. For that you need people to participate. Put it this way, if I do a Raid Rift or a Raid Instance - you can be assured that everyone in my group will have a chance at the loot that can use it.

Everyone should know whom is doing this, so they can be aware going into the group ahead of time.
Our shard has a tradition of being helpful and fair.
Don't think the top tier guilds on this shard aren't paying attention and taking notes.

[Glork]

This happens on Guardian side at times, too, although thankfully it is not very prevalent. About a month ago, someone got essentially run off the server for handing loot to a friend as Master Looter, without having told anybody loot rules. Just the other night, a player kept advertising for a DRR with 1 item reserved, and he never filled before he logged... got generally hassled by the more upstanding population in 50 chat, too. Guardian side doesn't take too kindly to "item reservation" from what I've seen, and I couldn't be happier about that.

[Expax]

We are generally the same way on the Defiant side, except for one certain guild apparently from where all the trouble is coming from.

[oothoo]

i agree with the op. please inform us on the loot rules while you are recruiting people for the raid not just before the pull after we been waiting for 45 mins. by now we know who does this and frankly when we see these people we just hold out for another raid.

as to reserveing an item for 3500 planarite in which it takes the other 19 people to make it happen i will refrain from making any comments. however doing such behavior cant help in your guild's reputation nor recruitment of new members. young inexperienced guild/raid leaders make mistakes and will learn lessons from them. guild reputations are being and already have been made in this game. a poor reputation is something that isnt easily changed.