Sudden Death PvP

[Redh]

Same old rubbish tonight.

Step 1: Get reports of a defiant raid in xxx zone
Step 2: Leave Hammerknell to go fight Defiants
Step 3: Kill Defiants
Step 4: Defiants don't come back. Ever.
Step 5: Bored.

PvP is as good as you make it guys, and it's time to step up. Heresy, Backup Squad - do something already! And if you have to, open your raids up to pugs. Hell, designate a 2nd raid leader specifically for pugs if you have to. Defiants can far outnumber Guardians on this server - and when it's organised they are willing to fight.

Over to you.

[Bomben21]

look dude the last 2 times u showed up for us we had been pvping for 2-4 hours and it got late and yesterday we had in the end 10 players , 3 had to go , one got dc so we were stuck with 6 agianst curys raid + and Necrois we never avoids pvp but there is time when u decide if u are too few and that's why we decided to call it off for now, u guys are might pvping 3 times a week with a huge amount of numbers, we are pvping everyday outnumbered 9/10 times and never complains i dont think u need to say to us about carebearing cuz its not the 1st time when we met a few cyrus raids not full ones , like 9-11 with fair numbers during the way when u guys have low activity and when they died they didnt show up either just twice once but that was it , and i asked u several times before tell me which days u guys are pvping and we will try have atleast 15-20 players in our raid which we had a few days ago when we fought u outnumbered and did well from us but once agian it got late since we been pvping for a long time we doesnt give up if we wipe we gave up becuase we had half of the raid leaving duo to work,bed,other irl stuff, if u wanted more pvp i would recommend try pvp more often not just with 1-2 raids try with less numbers aswel cuz its rare u dont always need 1 raid+++ to pvp , cuz iam telling u most are tired of being zerg , yes yes i know pug defiants zerg alot cuz of the huge amount of defiants but for real who cries about that? u just need 6-10 pvpers to wipe out 30-40 + pve defiants.
and also we were 10-15 players during these days not even a full raid i wonder if u guys would do the same , cuz TK only camp gy/villages , necrosis is a nice pvp guild we fought them much lately very nice guild we had much fun with those guys they kept coming back even when they were outnumbered , much respect to them

[Jawsnap]

Wasn't it the night before last when we fended off a raid on one side of us, and a raid on the other side of us... with like, 17 or 18 people in our raid?

Sh*ts hard man, especially when you've been at it for hours and hours, don't get me wrong, I love it - but still. It doesn't help the PvP situation when 792346237623084756 pugs fly in from nowhere and zerg the hell out of one small, organised group. Happens all the time.

Where's them videos anyway Bomb? I thought we had some made up from the other night in Stillmoor? >_>

[lopez]

cyrus u r starting to be funny. so u expect us to meet u when u have free time right? we have to find free time for u so u can play with your toys? time to move your a ss with less then 40 ppl someday and more often - not 3 times a week. as bomben said we play every day - even 2-3 raids a day sometimes. and yes we r in smaller groups with many undergeared chars (like last time we had rank 1 when we met). if u rly want more pvp- try visiting pvp places in smaller groups then 20-30.

and no, we dont wnat to invite pugs. if u want, do that. we dont want it.

funny stuff is that when i talk to cyrus members no one said that want to zerg others and they would like even fights (like 10vs 10, 20 vs 10 - and it doesnt matter who wins, we play for fun - its not a job). but when u ask to organise something... like last time we had 7 (with rank 1) u brought 13 ;p its first time im mentioning it, but how is that a fair fight? anyway its not the subject and its not ment to start a draaama

anyway, if u want more pvp, start to walk out of sanctum more often with smaller groups and i bet u will have it

and yes i know my english sucks. and yes i know i dont use capital letters

[Zeradin]

You're actually pushing my buttons now redh. We've said it several times we don't zerg. We always try our best to avoid pugs and run by ourselfs. I don't mind you mass recruiting and spamming /4 /5 before going out of sanctum for a fight. But we actually take pride in building a core team of players who actually know what they do.

[Aysha]

Bomben..for the love of God..please, PLEASE use some punctuation! You just gave me a stroke trying to read that.

[Mrsmall]

The problem is , as I see it, that we have a large number of "PVPer's" that are always on-line and when a guild chat "Defiants in IPP - daily area - who wants invite" goes out we have lots of people wanting to join.

If some of us Cyrus are in a a pug and we come across a "number" of Defiants of the same guild we disband re-group as a Cyrus guild group.

I am not a guild leader.
I ask that you "Guild Leaders" all stay on nice friendly chitty-chatty terms and get on Vent / Teamspeak and sort out PVP events please (As it is obvious that Trion are not going to set open-world PVP objectives anytime soon).

We do not go out with the intention to "zerg". There is no fun in that.
If you are a rogue then you can stealth, get the jump and the PVP update and then disappear. Other classes can't do that ;o)

With regards to numbers of Cyrus vs other Defiant guilds out and about looking for PVP.......
We just have larger numbers of people that want to kill you. Can't really do much about that .

Mrsmall

[imMech]

Think the point that redh was making is that there was 40 defiants 2groups doing raidrifts. 1 group was darklegion guild the other was madkittens+afew darklegion both raids close proximety. They got wiped about 4 times each finished raid and souled out. The point is that what was 2 guilds couldnt swap spec/gear organise and put up a fight? Tbh the cyrus group was like 3 healers rest dps so i dont think it would have taken much i mean they agroed the raid and that took out 3/4 of them...

[Zeradin]

Well like I said, I don't mind fighting outnumbered, and we will never zerg. I got no right to say someone shouldn't zerg, I just state my opinion on the matter. I think you guys got much more pvp focused players on guardian side than we defiants do, and with your way of recruiting, you are forced to zerg without leaving people out.

The only way I can imagine everyone to be happy in cyrus and avoiding zerging is if you create multiple raids, and switch around on attacking while either the other watches, or looking for fight elsewhere.

I do however love fighting outnumbered. We got a top notch team of healers and often survive extremly long being outnumbered, and often win aswell. The only thing I'm sad about right now is that I pretty much spam recruitment macro every 5minute + - when I'm online, and get perhaps 1-2applications a day, sometimes none. Often people who change their mind because they have to make an application on our forum..

I think in the future it might be better when we've gotten ourself a core team of 30ish players and can meet you in a raid of 20. But untill we got 20 to go with at a time, and several are rank 1-6 we got an issue with keeping people alive from a AOE zerg.

[Tekkie]

cyrus u r starting to be funny. so u expect us to meet u when u have free time right? we have to find free time for u so u can play with your toys? time to move your *** with less then 40 ppl someday and more often - not 3 times a week. as bomben said we play every day - even 2-3 raids a day sometimes. and yes we r in smaller groups with many undergeared chars (like last time we had rank 1 when we met). if u rly want more pvp- try visiting pvp places in smaller groups then 20-30.

I have to agree with Lopez.
Most of our people are doing their PvP dailies and then they just leave. We are few to roam in little groups and aren't really heard when we ask for help till an officer call a raid event or something^^ when there is need of 3-4 more people only.

It has pissed off some of us.

[Arrinx]

I have to agree with Lopez.
Most of our people are doing their PvP dailies and then they just leave. We are few to roam in little groups and aren't really heard when we ask for help till an officer call a raid event or something^^ when there is need of 3-4 more people only.

It has pissed off some of us.

sounds about right, theres a few cyrus members that acctually pvp out of there comfort zone and go out with only 5-6 players and there are others who only pvp when theres 19 other cyrus (or 39 if you have 2 raids) backing them up

its the cyrus member base thats the problem, not defiants; step out of your comfort zone and pvp with 10 people, take a loss when its needed and when that loss happens, don't show up with twice the numbers just to show you can because thats what ruins the fun

[Jawsnap]

Zera's right... we're always outnumbered - and I'm only Rank 4 - a few others are that too, or lower - so our current team relies fully on the coordination, precision and strategy of Zera and Bomb. It's very hard for anyone to last more than a minute against a raid double their size, but we tend to pull it off for about 5 or 6 minutes - and 9 times out 10, we win.

But yeah, there needs to be a little more response to PvP - afterall, we're on a PvP Shard and the only true teams I see out there are Time Keepers and Cyrus, who actually look for a fight. Which is great, but we need some balance between the teams to make the fights interesting... sure, we all like winning - but bringing in as many seriously geared players as possible to not only outnumber the opposition, but outgear them too - is not going to balance out the PvP at all.

We need it to be as balanced as possible, so that both team's players are having a good time, and actually exercising strategy and skill - ofcourse... if 40 rank 1 and 2 players turn up and have a go at the 10-15 rank 8 players; the rank 8's are going to be a bit pissed off at losing to a bunch of rank 1 and 2's. Numbers are everything... thus, only the zerg is having fun - because they're winning.

Ofcourse, nobody wants to sit and pre-arrange PvP. That's boring, not only the planning, but executing it too. PvP shouldn't be about pre-arranging a fight between factions with a start time and location... may aswell raid and be bored in HK. PvP should occur from things like, I dunno - a Rogue stealthing up and killing quest givers for the lowbies... which is then ofcourse retaliated with another 2 coming down to fix up the rogue, but then ofcourse, the rogues team turn up to assist and bam, before you know it - a zone-wide fight has kicked off. It's unplanned and everyone is fueled to fight. Just as an example.

[nastymatt]

I don't get this fascination with calling zerg as some sort of moral high ground that makes you good at pvp. As for claiming the high ground and boasting you never zerg... totally and utterly impossible.

As for claiming Cyrus are the main culprits of zerging.. just a joke. Cyrus historically was/is a very focused pvp guild.. what are we supposed to do when we come across bigger numbers of defiants? Count them and then only allow that number in a raid??

It's a freaking PVP server!!! If the call goes out I'd expect and hope everyone who is online WANTS to come and pvp. e.g two days ago 6 of us are in Stillmore... we bump into a full raid of Back Up Squad. We lose. Do we cry zerg?? No.... to me it's good fun and time to match fire with fire. Finally some people out have a tear up with.

What Redh is getting at is every time we turn up the opposition never comes back for seconds if they lose. We want you to.. because we like to pvp. Just /yell "give us 10 mins.. and get more numbers.. we'll hang around.

I have to say this is the whiniest pvp game/server I have ever played on. Maybe cross realm /yells add to that but in my eyes if you are on a pvp server then you live and die by the rules. Don't like it? Go blue.

[Redh]

Newsflash. Cyrus do not zerg. If you think 1 raid is a zerg, you are a clown. And if you don't know how to fill 1 raid group yourself, you are a useless clown.

[Jawsnap]

I don't get this fascination with calling zerg as some sort of moral high ground that makes you good at pvp. As for claiming the high ground and boasting you never zerg... totally and utterly impossible.

As for claiming Cyrus are the main culprits of zerging.. just a joke. Cyrus historically was/is a very focused pvp guild.. what are we supposed to do when we come across bigger numbers of defiants? Count them and then only allow that number in a raid??

It's a freaking PVP server!!! If the call goes out I'd expect and hope everyone who is online WANTS to come and pvp. e.g two days ago 6 of us are in Stillmore... we bump into a full raid of Back Up Squad. We lose. Do we cry zerg?? No.... to me it's good fun and time to match fire with fire. Finally some people out have a tear up with.

What Redh is getting at is every time we turn up the opposition never comes back for seconds if they lose. We want you to.. because we like to pvp. Just /yell "give us 10 mins.. and get more numbers.. we'll hang around.

I have to say this is the whiniest pvp game/server I have ever played on. Maybe cross realm /yells add to that but in my eyes if you are on a pvp server then you live and die by the rules. Don't like it? Go blue.

Newsflash. Cyrus do not zerg. If you think 1 raid is a zerg, you are a clown. And if you don't know how to fill 1 raid group yourself, you are a useless clown.

I don't know what you guys call a zerg, but what we call a zerg is when 15 of your guild members get rolled by 10 of ours, and Cyrus comes back with a full raid + pugs in another raid.

For example; Stillmoor, upon the hill behind Kingsgate - 2 or 3 days ago. We had 16 or 17 people, and all of a sudden, there's 32+ people stood at the foot of the hill.

That my friends, is a zerg.