Why does this server feel like a PVE server?

[Anchor]

I don't get this game at all.

I rolled a character on Firesand (a mage) and leveled him to 50 and on that server very few people seemed to attack each other.. I rolled it because this server was incredibly full back at headstart and then after leveling that character and this server dying down a bit, I decided to reroll as a cleric.

I figured that nobody was attacking each other because of some crazy rp player thing, but it's not the case.. it's just the crazy people playing this game.

I've been attacking almost every last person I've come across.

I don't care if they're in a town or out leveling or there's more than one of them, sometimes I beat two people at once and other times I get my *** handed to me. I don't care, I rolled on a pvp server for a reason.

But the sheer amount of people that don't fight back and run away or start saying things in chat like how they didn't do anything to prompt me attacking them is unbelievable.

You rolled a character on a pvp server and chose the opposite team from me. That's what you did.

Then people come on the forums and complain about lack of world pvp, why on earth is nobody attacking each other?

[Sensational]

Then people come on the forums and complain about lack of world pvp, why on earth is nobody attacking each other?

Because WoW brought them into the genre and they expect all games to be like WoW.

[Anchor]

Because WoW brought them into the genre and they expect all games to be like WoW.

In WoW people attacked each other while leveling.

In WoW I could expect to be jumped regularly by people while I was attacking mobs.

I would love if that happened here, instead I see people from the opposite faction roll up beside me and start trying to kill mobs for quests assuming there wont be any consequences.

Don't blame WoW. It's clearly not the problem here. I have no idea what caused this nonsense but it wasn't that.

[aKe]

Because WoW brought them into the genre and they expect all games to be like WoW.

110% agree

[Anchor]

I get that people love to hate on WoW.

Blame WoW for this, Blame WoW for that.

The reason for the global economic crisis is clearly because of WoW somehow.

The Cataclysm expansion probably somehow caused the tsunami and earthquake in japan.

But this wasn't actually a problem in WoW. However much people like to blame it.

People actually attacked each other on pvp servers in WoW.

If you needed to do a quest and there were a lot of people of the opposite faction in the area you either rounded people up to clear them out or went somewhere else because questing around a bunch of opposing faction players was impossible.

I have no idea what kind of weak pvp servers you guys were playing on.

WoW had a lot of issues but this wasn't one of them.

[aKe]

ive not played wow..
oh wait yes i logged a 50 paladin, healspecced him and got on some warfronts with a warrior mate, played 4 days and got boring of it.


this what i mean isnt about the wow pvp or rift pvp.

after the wow hype all the producers, managers, firms etc created 1 fail after another, because they wanted a 2nd wow game.
make the game easy so everybody can play it
implement so many pve u can
get good graphics
etc...

but no endgame. or a good conclusion for pvp


ive not played all the games that were released so i cant say it for ALL games. but the most are


on some games the managers pushes the game into doom (like war)
because money money is all they want.

but to create a good game with real pvp content seems not to win the big money.


just look at daoc.
its a 10 year old game
there were no instances/warfronts or anything. just big, real big rvr zones.
what was the content ? every realm had 2 own artifacts (+10% magic/melee dmg) and the target was to take the artifacts from enemies to get the bonus.
but anyway the community made it to a n1 game. we implemented 8vs8 by adding irc channels on each (!) server... doesnt matter if it was german/english/american/french/...
and mythic havent done anything like starting events or area fights or something like that.
they added a patch 1-2 x in a year and that was all.
the community was just a good one and we all wanted to get high rr for new abilities.


not like in rift...
last time somebody sent me "why should i waste my time in wf, when t2 gear is better ?"
and things like that...

need big pvp patch or many ppl (not the pvers) will leave...

[Sensational]

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But this wasn't actually a problem in WoW. However much people like to blame it.

People actually attacked each other on pvp servers in WoW.

If you needed to do a quest and there were a lot of people of the opposite faction in the area you either rounded people up to clear them out or went somewhere else because questing around a bunch of opposing faction players was impossible.

I have no idea what kind of weak pvp servers you guys were playing on.

WoW had a lot of issues but this wasn't one of them.

In early vanilla maybe, later on, not really. The more it grew, the more of this type of people ended up finding the genre. "Why you attak me" was quite common on all servers I played on.

[Anchor]

In early vanilla maybe, later on, not really. The more it grew, the more of this type of people ended up finding the genre. "Why you attak me" was quite common on all servers I played on.

I never played vanilla, I played all the way through tbc and wrath, I leveled about 8 characters in total on 3 different pvp servers and absolutely never came across this attitude.

It's madness when one of you guys didn't even play WoW and feel the need to slam it and blame this hand holding attitude of hanging out together and singing kumbaya that's present in rift and the other is taking the old 'vanilla was good but everything after sucked' mentality that's present in most of the other people that slam WoW.

You've both embodied the two anti wow players that are stereotypes in my mind, the one's that never played it and hate it and the ones that don't want to get slammed by the hardcore vanilla fanboys where everything was magical back in the day before they hit the easy mode button.

Don't get me wrong, I think rift is a great game and I plan on playing it for a good while. It's just this whole let's slam wow because that's clearly the coolest thing you can do in another mmo's forums these days attitude is ridiculous when you're trying to blame stuff on it that wasn't an issue there.

[Azgaard]

I never played vanilla, I played all the way through tbc and wrath, I leveled about 8 characters in total on 3 different pvp servers and absolutely never came across this attitude.

It's madness when one of you guys didn't even play WoW and feel the need to slam it and blame this hand holding attitude of hanging out together and singing kumbaya that's present in rift and the other is taking the old 'vanilla was good but everything after sucked' mentality that's present in most of the other people that slam WoW.

You've both embodied the two anti wow players that are stereotypes in my mind, the one's that never played it and hate it and the ones that don't want to get slammed by the hardcore vanilla fanboys where everything was magical back in the day before they hit the easy mode button.

Don't get me wrong, I think rift is a great game and I plan on playing it for a good while. It's just this whole let's slam wow because that's clearly the coolest thing you can do in another mmo's forums these days attitude is ridiculous when you're trying to blame stuff on it that wasn't an issue there.

wow fanboi alert

[Sensational]

'vanilla was good but everything after sucked' mentality that's present in most of the other people that slam WoW.

Actually I didn't really like Vanilla either. Was just pointing out that the early crowd had a lot of ex-MMOers in it, where as the longer it's gone the more mainstream it has become, and the more counterstrike players, 12 year olds and other assorted ******s have found their way into the genre through WoW.

Don't get me wrong, I think rift is a great game and I plan on playing it for a good while. It's just this whole let's slam wow because that's clearly the coolest thing you can do in another mmo's forums these days attitude is ridiculous when you're trying to blame stuff on it that wasn't an issue there.

I generally don't slam WoW, it's probably the highest quality MMO out there if you ask me. But this? This is one of the few things I do blame WoW for.

[Jearom]

I rolled on a PvP-server for fighting others on a regular basis. However I tend to not attack the Defiants I see... don't know why really. I guess I'm kinda focused on levling my char atm.

When I get attacked I fight back, but I usually don't head back to the spot to seek revenge if I get killed.

I'm not really into the 1vs1 business, I prefer group vs group fights... there's to hard to keep it balanced and fair in 1vs1.

What I want is a RvR-campaign and zones dedicated for it. (like DAoC)

[HeUeR]

what can i say, just give a little bit of time to the game, come on, it is already very nice and fun and they are making patches and even new content so fast that i believe there will be some other pvp options than these. The key word is time, if you cant wait then sorry quit, but dont wait that trion will make everyday some new content to silence these cry babies

[Clearlycleric]

IMO, I think it's weird to be attacking every person you see. If I did that, I'd never get sh*t done.

Sometimes I like to just hit up a rift or quest, and if I see a guardian, I don't really care. They fire, I'll fire back. Meh.

I don't understand YOUR attitude - just because people aren't attacking every second doesn't make it any less of a PVP server. What makes it a PVP server is that the opportunity is there, which is enough.

I'm so tired of people whining and b*tching about PVP - if the game isn't for you, G-T-F-O. Why whine and cry? So you can get people on your side to validate your opinion? This isn't a chruch or a religion. It's a video game.

And as for the WoW blaming, what is it about moving to a new MMO that makes people dog on the last one. Just because you like a new game doesn't mean the old one sucks.

TL;DR
Everyone needs to quit complaining. You're all a bunch of whiney babies. Chill out and play.

[krilly]

Because WoW brought them into the genre and they expect all games to be like WoW.

for me because rift pvp is like wow

i expect more from pvp

[krilly]

what i mean is, alot of people on this server come from prior games with much better pvp, it was like the server for EU rvr fans. then we see crappy wow who stuns first and stand inside and aoe combat and its like so boring we cant be arsed