Because PvPers take it for granted? Similarly, PvEers take it for granted that PvE servers should exist, but lots of PvPers think it's stupid to have PvE servers. (Certainly not all in either case.)Originally Posted by Nalano
Because PvPers take it for granted? Similarly, PvEers take it for granted that PvE servers should exist, but lots of PvPers think it's stupid to have PvE servers. (Certainly not all in either case.)
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To me, the choice is reasoned with that I simply dislike pvp in general. I do some warfronts now and then, but thats about it. So it is obvious for me to choose rp-pve, unless I'd want to go about rageing all the time because someone keeps on killing me when I'm trying to rp (In general I have a low temper when it comes to being killedI don't rage in chats but anyone who's been skyping with me when I do WF's will undoubtedly have noticed how fast I can ramble off new chains of cursewords)
Beyond that I have always been a fan of taking fights through emotes, I find it more fun that way
As for if there is many players on the PvP-RP realms, I wouldn't be able to tell. But I can tell you that atleast for Argents side, we recently came out of a longer "sleeping" period due to a lot of players leaving the game or taking breaks to return when times are better. Its turning around now though since the coming of the ascend a friend system, and a new flow of new players from the trial
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To be blunt, it's because the vast majority of roleplayers care more for hosting tea parties and other such events rather than embracing the setting and creating characters that might just get into some conflict with the opposite faction. It's a common trend in any MMORPG, sadly.
Or because it's not much fun to be killed by a griefer.
*shrugs*
If you consider someone who says "lol ur easy 2 kil" killing you to be "embracing the setting", then more power to you.
Then far be it for me to point out to you that the very heart and soul of a computer RPG is the fact that you don't need to emote your fights because THERE IS ALREADY A COMBAT SYSTEM IN PLACE.Beyond that I have always been a fan of taking fights through emotes, I find it more fun that way
Nalano H. Wildmoon
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You should all listen to what they have to say, as I bet it's said with the best intentions.
In a better world people wouldn't make up patronizing answers to topics they are apparently rather ignorant of.
Guess we'll just have to settle for what we have, sadly.
Okay. A few points before writing:
1) This is just my opinion, nothing more.
2) I will not sugarcoat it, so if you are easily offended avert your eyes.
3) I am serious. Avert your eyes.
This thread is stupid. Not on just a little level, no the very premise of this thread borders on complete and utter bollocks and nonsense. I will tell you why in five simple notes:
a) It starts on the premise of not understanding a specific type of behaviour. That is fine. We all come to a point where we are at loss.
b) It goes down the drain at:
c) The above quote makes it very clear the original poster did not clear him/herself of prejudice, and thus made no effort to convey a neutral stand point.Are most RPers in RIFT really complete cowards that sacrifice immersion and sit around blue-shielded while their enemy faction players rage nearby but are unable to even touch them and vice-versa?
Or does the forum simply not give an adequate representation of what's going on in-game?
d) He/she could have stated: "I think the PvE ruleset sacrifce immersion for the sake of security from the other faction. It seems like the majoriy of roleplayers prefer this even in cases where the opposing faction kill off NPCs near them. Why is that?" That is neutral and unlikely to provoke hostile response.
e) He/she still chose to take the moral highground despite it being counter productive to what he/she wanted answered, and any ensuing constructive discussion.
If you think point e is contradictory to what I am just doing, consider that all potential for constructive discussion was near eliminated in the first post.
Potentially insulting part of this post ends here. Some feedback starts here.
Why do people enjoy RP-PvE more than RP-PvP? Points.
I) People are just different.
II) Some people do not enjoy the mechanics in the game as a visual representation of combat.
III) Some people enjoy faction RP and do not want it hindered by other aggressive players.
IV) Some just dislike PvP.
V) Some has friends playing on the RP-PvE realm, so would rather play there.
I am sure you could think up more if you really put your mind to it. We are just different, and that is okay. If we were the same the world would be boring as hell. Let us respect that we are different so we can go and throw some rotten apples at those darn non-RPers. How dare they not RP.
Last edited by Sotof; 06-10-2011 at 01:41 PM.
I'm fine with that.
I'm not fine with them insinuating that RPPvP servers are not, in some ill-defined way, true RP servers.
I'm not fine with them implying that PvP is somehow mutually exclusive to RP.
I'm especially not fine with them stating outright that RPPvP players are "in the minority" and, as such, it is safe for the developers to ignore them.
If that's not unwarranted aggression, then nothing is.
Nalano H. Wildmoon
Sergeant Major of the Fourth Forward Troll Division
Attorney at Lawl
"The pornos lied. They told me it tasted like honey." - Paradoxus
While I enjoy doing it that way, I always run into:Beyond that I have always been a fan of taking fights through emotes, I find it more fun that way
me: /emote charges, swinging his blade with an aim for your shoulder.
them: *is not able to dodge, and gets hit...but oh my! The blade does not cut through the armor flesh!
me: (wait what?)
them: *casts a fireball into your chest from point blank range.
me: (wait, rewind. Why is my blade doing no damage to you again?)
them: (Because I'm immune, duh.)
me: (...and let me guess, the point blank fireball, which would explode and hit you as well, you are immune to as well?)
them: (oh no, I altered it so it only explodes towards you?)
me: (...you're a lvl 10 mage. Do you even have fireball as a spell? And I didn't know this game even allowed you to alter spells)
them: (well, in game I can't. But, I'm roleplaying the child of blahblahblah....and that's why my lvl 10 mage was able to kill your max lvl, fully geared, paladin).
The problem with just roleplaying a fight, is very few people want to lose.
That...and a lot of people don't want to roleplay what they actually have in game...
Last edited by Grephyn; 06-10-2011 at 04:35 PM.
Again, the very point of having a combat system in place is so that people can't godmod.
Godmod. There's a term I haven't used since circa 1997 h2g2.com.
Nalano H. Wildmoon
Sergeant Major of the Fourth Forward Troll Division
Attorney at Lawl
"The pornos lied. They told me it tasted like honey." - Paradoxus
To your points, even if I feel they are somewhat off-topic...
1. Yes, RP-PvP servers are true RP servers. Both are. Thinking anything different is simply dumb.
2. To some it is. To some it is not. Opinion is opinion. Learn to respect that.
3. I do not see the point in this comment. Both PvP and RP improvements to the game support the RP-PvP servers a lot, in other words you will not get ignored. The people who claim RP-PvPers are in the minority are frankly talking out of their *****. They do not have any numbers.
4. Being aggressive about it solves nothing. It provokes a defensive attitude from people, thus rendering the discussion entirely useless.
Kindly read the thread again. The pertinence should present itself.
Nalano H. Wildmoon
Sergeant Major of the Fourth Forward Troll Division
Attorney at Lawl
"The pornos lied. They told me it tasted like honey." - Paradoxus
Exactly why I use it.
Exactly why I believe people who play a game in the system should use the system.
It was put well by LowestTruth on page 2, first post:
Other than that, do re-read my two other recent posts in this thread.What I see is an aggressive, combative, disrespectful idealogue who is convinced that their way is the only "proper" way, that believes people who do not ascribe to a certain philosophy and way of doing things are "cowards", and that feels judging other folks by their server rule of choice is perfectly reasonable and sane.
Do roll fights. First roll for who should attack, then roll for if the attack will be missed or landed with a way. Like if you roll the higest at first, you do an attacking emote, at second roll if you are the one with low roll, then the attacked person makes an emote that says how it was missed or how he defended it against himself. When attack lands, you get a point, when it doesnt, you two roll again for who attacks.
It's a bit complicated but not for beginner RPers, but still it fixes the who-is-more-godly problem by luck.
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