Edit: Nevermind not going to aggro the mods. On topic I agree with the dev team at least addressing the pvp ttk and taking steps to fix it
Last edited by Xillean; 02-13-2013 at 09:45 PM.
Death Master Xillean Tormeng, Lord of War of The Reckoning-Faeblight
Content Manager for Rift Craft | Dimensions: Planar Study | Spec: 61/10/5
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Characters: Xillean R61 Cleric, Eylisa R58 Mage, Kattie R70 Rogue (Main), Phantasmal R50 Warrior
There are plenty of things that the community has given feedback on that we don't agree with and we don't take action on. There are other things that the community has asked for, that we agree with, and we just have not found the right time to put in.
finally got to play and pvp is back..i think maybe a small heal nerf and things will be perfect. i still hit plenty hard in melee and im still getting hit plenty hard from all classes and people still havent sractched the surface yet.
thanks trion for listening to the playerbase, this change was so needed since 1.11
Marshmon@greybrier Warrior: Acolytes
CQ feels about right with all the crazy zergs - it gives people and extra second or two to hit their oh shizz button, but they still "melt" if left in the open and catching a bunch of heat.
On the flip side, it took nearly 3 minutes to score the first kill in Black Garden. I ended up with 14 KBs, which was 6 more than the rest of both teams COMBINED - only because I was pulling people out of LoS at opportune times to finish them off, and using a full PvE build.
There's no doubt healing is off kilter, but instead of blanket adjustments - can you:
1. Reduce TTH by changing values in different environments - i.e. leave CQ alone, tweak the warfronts. The more players, the more healing is a force multiplier, and has always been that way.
2. Increase mana costs in PvP only.
3. Reduce the 5% per tick mana returns to 2.5%. Healers stay powerful (by abusing their own mana pool and powerful TTH high cost abilities) but have a "disarm" of sorts for spamming emergency heals.
Something other than a blanket % reduction would be a much more attractive method to skinning this cat IMO.
And *screw* all the whiners - thank you for taking action on TTK. DPS vs DPS is dead nuts perfect right now. Time to tweak the heals.
Last edited by Fujitasix; 02-13-2013 at 09:56 PM.
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It will get changed. It is pretty silly when a 61bd, without much interruptions, can just slap away on a mage all through Fated Blades, all though Blade soul and Parity, all through Dualism, and finally have to re-treat the battle after Fated Blades attempt #2 didn't work.
I just beat on people with a high DPS spec for 1m+. If they have heals who know what they are doing, they won't die. Same goes for me. Me and my healer just stand around and get beat on by 5 - 6 people and live.
I don't see what there is to adapt to. I use some of the highest bursty and glassy specs. They just tickle everyone. If they don't have heals, it still feels absurdly long. If it was truly an issue I'd have just tried a 2.5% bump. /shrug The devs wanted penalty and only 1 person at a time in Xmas Whitefall to have the 10% damage boost wolf. It was powerful. So I am not sure who thought reducing all damage by 12% would produce anything but absurdness. The funny part is, my healer wanted to stop playing before I did. They got bored of nobody dying and healing themselves against 5+ DPS tickling them.
if someone doesn't have heals how fast to you want to kill them, just curious because i would want 10secs in a 1 v1 in glass cannon vs glass cannon. i think pvp is legit awesome right now if they just nerfed healing a tad. battles that dont involve are the prefect amount of time
Last edited by dday; 02-13-2013 at 10:21 PM.
Marshmon@greybrier Warrior: Acolytes
I guess to give my comments on this change (without experiencing it, but just based on what I'm seeing and my experience with similar changes in the past), it seems that nearly any time we see sweeping blanket changes to just about anything, we end up with a balance situation that is problematic in an entirely different way. We've seen blanket buffs and nerfs to PvP damage reduction (via valor or flat values), blanket nerfs to AoE damage/healing, blanket nerfs to ST healing (with the removal of heal debuffs), and blanket nerfs to both (gear normalization/PvP gear changes). They all seem to end up killing certain specs/functions in situations where they're actually valuable and not necessarily imbalanced (cf. stacked AoE healing/damage in something like BG versus stacking 10 Sabs and 10 AoE healers in CQ/Scion).
It left me sour in Warhammer -- where blanket nerfs to AoE damage designed to prevent stacked Pyromancers from being able to wipe zergs easily in keeps led to Magus and Engineer having absolutely garbage performance for most of the game's life -- and it's certainly leaving me sour here.
I think fine tuning of specifics needs to be in play, around a given metric (pick a target engagement volume and work to get the balance picture set up for that -- say around 10v10 or 15v15), and then you can apply blanket values based on player scaling (especially for instances). The suggestion to put in healing (and/or damage, in lesser quantities) buffs/reductions for instances with more people seems to be a decent fix if we're going to swear by blanket nerfs.
If you set your target for a "typical" 15v15 comp of something like 7 dps, 4 healers, 4 hybrids/utility/tanks a side, you could scale up values for instances with lesser or greater capacities, and it frankly might work better than having flat changes aimed at killing the effectiveness of seven stacked AoE healers in a Scion completely neuter Bards/Tacticians/raid-healing Chloromancers/Wardens in something like Black Garden.
I agree that it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, but a lot of that has to do with the changes being the equivalent of alternately shoving one's head into an oven and then into a freezer instead finding a place where it's ****ing room temperature.
And then putting some freaking fans and space heaters in each room to adjust the temperature of that room individually. Goddammit.
Last edited by Kyera; 02-13-2013 at 10:29 PM.
I'm not happy with the change, but it's no reason for me to get all crazy. If healers dominating warfronts was the worst thing going on or had ever happened in my life I'd be happy as hell.
This nonsense is why I hate people that fit the typical stereotype suburb idiot. Could some of you please go out, maybe to a 3rd world country, and for the love of all that is slightly decent actually encounter some hardship. Not some made up hardship like how "hard" college is, or that one time you found out there was no toilet paper a little too late.
Last edited by Kyera; 02-13-2013 at 10:37 PM.
nerf healing slightly but dont mess with dps its legit perfect. nothing of mine has hit for over 4.5k in a full dps spec which IMO is right where it needs to be. hitting for 8k or hitting a rift spear for a 75k aoe attack was dumb.
Marshmon@greybrier Warrior: Acolytes