Order of the Eye Notoriety

[Bizar]

just get enough for the trinket then ignore it and get the r50 synergy crystal

I'm pretty much doing this with a mage alt however isn't this just taking things back to square one? It is the same sort of situation as at launch where people would skip the middle tier of gear because it was a waste of favor. In this case it is a waste of time trying to get any more rep than is required for the trinket.

The only other reason to grind rep now would be for the essences. However, unless I am mistaken, you don't need max rep for them?

Also, people saying "wah wah he wants the rep handed to him wah", read his **** posts.

[Lathais]

Also, people saying "wah wah he wants the rep handed to him wah", read his **** posts.

Thank you for understanding instead of just seeing me asking for a nerf and saying I'm crying and want it handed to me. This is not the case. While I think some people are overestimating the ease of the dailies and the PvP Rift Weekly, they are still pretty easy. I will still do them every day, as I need something to do between CQs when my guildies aren't on the run Experts or Masters. I will do them every day regardless, just cause I like having maxed rep. The only problem is, and I think it is something devs need to take a look at, is it is really pointless to do now.

As has been pointed out several times, the problem is only that you gear past the rewards before you are capable of buying them. As pointed out it takes a month of doing them every day to get maxed, but you can get the gear in far less time than that now. Sure, I can skip it entirely and just get the Trinket and P50 crystal, but then what is the point in having the rewards or the rep in the game at all at this point. Either more/better rewards need to be added to incentivize more people to do it, or the rep requirement needs to be lowered, or the rate at which you can gain the rep needs to be increased or the rate at which you can gain favor/prestige needs to be lowered. I doubt the last option would go over well as people are already crying you don't get enough, and Trion slightly increased it already. I do not see that happening at all, though I am all for it. I just want to see balance across all the rewards so you can gain them at roughly the same speed. It just so happens the best ways to do that at this point, because of CQ, are to make the grind easier.

[TheGrinnz]

I'm pretty much doing this with a mage alt however isn't this just taking things back to square one? It is the same sort of situation as at launch where people would skip the middle tier of gear because it was a waste of favor. In this case it is a waste of time trying to get any more rep than is required for the trinket.

Which is my point. It's a waste of time because it's a bad design, like every other rep grind. This one however is additionally unnecessary.

[Lathais]

Which is my point. It's a waste of time because it's a bad design, like every other rep grind. This one however is additionally unnecessary.

I don't really agree with this. Not all rep grinds are bad. Runes for certain gear being one example. Belt runes, boot runes, I think there is another, need Maxed Noto with the Stillmoor, Shimmersand and IPP factions I believe. These are the best runes for PvE and if you want them, you have to grind the rep. However, there are multiple ways to grind that rep. There are the original quests in the zone, there are the daily quests in the zone, with the exception of IPP you can do IA in the zone and get some rep and now there is fishing. With this OotE rep though, there is only 1 real way....dailies and a weekly. The rate at which you get it is too slow to keep up with the speed at which you can gain the gear, rendering the rep useless, so less people will be grinding it.

Rep grinds are a little annoying, but IMO needed and not uncalled for. I expect them in an MMO and have no problem with a rep grind. It's another way to get that feeling of accomplishment that is part of what makes MMOs great. However, when the rewards are pointless or outdated by the time you can achieve them, something is wrong and needs to be adjusted.

[TheGrinnz]

I don't really agree with this. Not all rep grinds are bad. Runes for certain gear being one example. Belt runes, boot runes, I think there is another, need Maxed Noto with the Stillmoor, Shimmersand and IPP factions I believe. These are the best runes for PvE and if you want them, you have to grind the rep. However, there are multiple ways to grind that rep. There are the original quests in the zone, there are the daily quests in the zone, with the exception of IPP you can do IA in the zone and get some rep and now there is fishing. With this OotE rep though, there is only 1 real way....dailies and a weekly. The rate at which you get it is too slow to keep up with the speed at which you can gain the gear, rendering the rep useless, so less people will be grinding it.

Rep grinds are a little annoying, but IMO needed and not uncalled for. I expect them in an MMO and have no problem with a rep grind. It's another way to get that feeling of accomplishment that is part of what makes MMOs great. However, when the rewards are pointless or outdated by the time you can achieve them, something is wrong and needs to be adjusted.

There are multiple ways to grind the rep, but the only way they are gained through any regular gameplay after what the questlines give you is raids and IA. And Icewatch/Dragonslayers have no raids associated with them. Dragonslayers you can get from Shimmersand IA but again Icewatch has no correlary. Queueing specific dungeons on either normal or expert repeatedly for the sole purpose of rep is not my idea of standard gameplay. So Icewatch rep and Eye rep are the only real issues. There is no way to get these in any expedient manner without doing what anyone would consider a grind.

[Lathais]

There are multiple ways to grind the rep, but the only way they are gained through any regular gameplay after what the questlines give you is raids and IA. And Icewatch/Dragonslayers have no raids associated with them. Dragonslayers you can get from Shimmersand IA but again Icewatch has no correlary. Queueing specific dungeons on either normal or expert repeatedly for the sole purpose of rep is not my idea of standard gameplay. So Icewatch rep and Eye rep are the only real issues. There is no way to get these in any expedient manner without doing what anyone would consider a grind.

Again, the grind is not what I am concerned with. Icewatch I can fish. If I want to sit down one weekend, or one night my daughter wakes me up in the middle of the night, and fish for a couple hours, I can gain extra rep for extra effort. OotE however, once I have done my dailies for the day and weekly for the week, there is nothing I can do if I want to spend additional time on it. A grind is ok, as long as I can grind it as much as I want. With OotE, I am limited to how much I can grind per week. There is nothing additional I can do, and that is my problem.

I am not your standard QQer, I actually like grinds. I really do. However, I have a problem when the grind offers me nothing. There is no point to it. There are rewards, but they can no longer be gained fast enough to be of use. I want to obtain those rewards while they are still relevant to me. The grind itself is not the issue, and those coming in here complaining about the grind are not helping the real problem.

[TheGrinnz]

Again, the grind is not what I am concerned with. Icewatch I can fish. If I want to sit down one weekend, or one night my daughter wakes me up in the middle of the night, and fish for a couple hours, I can gain extra rep for extra effort. OotE however, once I have done my dailies for the day and weekly for the week, there is nothing I can do if I want to spend additional time on it. A grind is ok, as long as I can grind it as much as I want. With OotE, I am limited to how much I can grind per week. There is nothing additional I can do, and that is my problem.

I am not your standard QQer, I actually like grinds. I really do. However, I have a problem when the grind offers me nothing. There is no point to it. There are rewards, but they can no longer be gained fast enough to be of use. I want to obtain those rewards while they are still relevant to me. The grind itself is not the issue, and those coming in here complaining about the grind are not helping the real problem.

that's true, you can fish for the PvE reps now, that helps a bit (and is pretty much solely going to be how I get the rep on one of my alts). But there are those who would consider that just as much a grind as running normal dungeons.. I have a problem with grinds when they keep me from actually having fun with what the game offers, and are contrary to the rewards I want to get from my playtime (other than the small prize at the very end). Note fishing isn't a problem here because I fish in these areas for other reasons, the rep fish are just a bonus.

The limitation on how much you can grind per day/week is also a valid issue.

[Lathais]

that's true, you can fish for the PvE reps now, that helps a bit (and is pretty much solely going to be how I get the rep on one of my alts). But there are those who would consider that just as much a grind as running normal dungeons.. I have a problem with grinds when they keep me from actually having fun with what the game offers, and are contrary to the rewards I want to get from my playtime (other than the small prize at the very end). Note fishing isn't a problem here because I fish in these areas for other reasons, the rep fish are just a bonus.

The limitation on how much you can grind per day/week is also a valid issue.

and again, I have no problem with grinds, when the reward is worth it and there. With OotE at this point, there is basically no reward. The rewards you get, you get after you have outgeared them via CQ. There is basically no reward for the grind. A grind with a reward is ok, even if the grind is long and boring. A grind with no reward is a problem that should be looked at. This thread is not about grinds and how they are bad. This thread is specifically about OotE Noto and how you can no longer gain it fast enough to keep your crystals up to date. If you want to QQ about grinds please go somewhere else as it is adding fuel for the people who are saying the QQ is about the grind in general, where what I really have is a valid complaint, not simple QQ about a grind.

[Frankenstein]

Facing the same issue with my alts. I don't mind the rep grinds, I do think if you want the best, you should have to work for it. However, as has been said repeatedly here, the Unseen/OotE is very very limited in how it can be obtained. If you have lots of play time, you can easily make the items obtainable from these factions obsolete, even without doing conquest.

The lower level pvp rep gear is the same way, and has been complained about in multiple threads. My mage, for example, is leveled almost exclusively through wf's. I STILL don't have the rep needed for some of the pieces that are now 5-10 levels under me, and are now completely useless. Trion still hasn't fixed that in over a year, so unfortunately I don't see them fixing the synergy crystal issue either :-/