A rollback is still needed Trion.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Trion aren't going to do a rollback. They just aren't. It's not going to happen. Too many people farmed. I farmed people, and was briefly farmed myself. I went from Prestige 20 to Prestige 34 very quickly as a result, and my PvP gear went from being a complete joke, to being fairly decent.

But the overwhelming majority of people were farming. Regardless of what you thought about the farming, you would have been stupid not to jump about that train.

The thing is, it was blindingly obvious that this could happen. Why do you think Warfronts have (mostly) unattackable spawn points? It's not as if Trion didn't notice this - they just failed to do anything for their new PvP mode.

And failure is the key word here: Conquest has been one failure after another and in many cases, Trion's solutions have compounded failure with failure. Trion failed hugely with patch 1.9, although that's another story.

To do a rollback would imply that, somehow, the playerbase is responsible for Trion's completely inadequate designs. We weren't. We just did what was the obvious thing to do.

And for the record, I have no sympathy for people being farmed. I know damn well that the people being farmed would not have hesitated to do exactly the same thing to us, had they had the chance.

TL;DR: Trion aren't going to do a rollback. Stop crying, and either unsub or just get on with the game.

Actually, the playerbase -is- responsible for exploiting a hole in the system. If you ever bothered to try and play Conquest on the PTS, there was almost 0 spawn camping and any attempts at it were quickly snuffed out. Most people focused on capturing the objectives and the game flowed really nice and overall it seemed like it was pretty much ready to go live.

Unfortunately the live playerbase seems to have a good number of people who prefer to exploit mechanics that, on the test server, weren't really noticed due to, y'know, people playing the game the right way as it was intended.

Trying to escape the consequences for using the Conquest system in an unintended way in order to raise your prestige/favor up by speeds that are highly unintentional is very childish. Pushing the blame to Trion is very selfish and childish as well since it's clear that they didn't foresee it happening like that. If the "obvious thing to do" is to cheat the system for your own personal gains, then there's really a problem right there. And it's hardly Trion's problem; it's yours, and other players who have similar mindsets. Hopefully they'll see this as a lesson though and remember not to leave any holes open for people like you to exploit.

And Trion hardly failed with Patch 1.9. Overall the new additions are great and something other popular MMOs greatly lack. Maybe if problems persist in a month's time that's something to talk about, but so far Trion's been doing a great job at quickly working on addressing the problems that have been popping up with the patch. Hell of a lot better than what other MMO companies would have done within a week's time (since this patch has only been out for a little beyond a week). And chances are that before this week ends there will be several more issues fixed. Personally though, I'm having a blast with Mentoring in lower level areas/Instant Adventures and the Summerfest event.

[Link Dead]

join a match 39-50 on a eu server today, where 1-2 maxed geared pvp play all the game, and no way to counter it speaking deutsch

So a rollback is going to fix the language barrier? I agree though they should probably move you guys back to language specific shards.

[millie]

Actually, the playerbase -is- responsible for exploiting a hole in the system. If you ever bothered to try and play Conquest on the PTS, there was almost 0 spawn camping and any attempts at it were quickly snuffed out. Most people focused on capturing the objectives and the game flowed really nice and overall it seemed like it was pretty much ready to go live.

Unfortunately the live playerbase seems to have a good number of people who prefer to exploit mechanics that, on the test server, weren't really noticed due to, y'know, people playing the game the right way as it was intended.

Trying to escape the consequences for using the Conquest system in an unintended way in order to raise your prestige/favor up by speeds that are highly unintentional is very childish. Pushing the blame to Trion is very selfish and childish as well since it's clear that they didn't foresee it happening like that. If the "obvious thing to do" is to cheat the system for your own personal gains, then there's really a problem right there. And it's hardly Trion's problem; it's yours, and other players who have similar mindsets. Hopefully they'll see this as a lesson though and remember not to leave any holes open for people like you to exploit.

And Trion hardly failed with Patch 1.9. Overall the new additions are great and something other popular MMOs greatly lack. Maybe if problems persist in a month's time that's something to talk about, but so far Trion's been doing a great job at quickly working on addressing the problems that have been popping up with the patch. Hell of a lot better than what other MMO companies would have done within a week's time (since this patch has only been out for a little beyond a week). And chances are that before this week ends there will be several more issues fixed. Personally though, I'm having a blast with Mentoring in lower level areas/Instant Adventures and the Summerfest event.

I see your mistake ..... you see Sunshine the "real PvPers" were to busy having involuntary group intercourse with some poor noobs skull to ever test anything. So when it hit live and they found out they could do it to a large multiple of people at high frequency .... well it just overwhelmed them with delight. So of course they had to document the whole experience on YouTube accompanied by continuous chortles of glee.

[Dee Dee]

So a rollback is going to fix the language barrier? I agree though they should probably move you guys back to language specific shards.

who said a roll back will fix the language barrier?
at least will solve some big gap matches against maxed geared, especially now when is slower for us to close the gap, after so many tweaks and fixes

[saprils]

I think if you were in oathsworn you would feel differently about ppl keeping their levels. Ppl were asking all weekend for them to disable it till it was fixed. Our server lagged non stop which was also not being fixed. So we spent the weekend being farmed, not fun and to find out that ppl who were exploiting the system are again being allowed to keep it is enough to think about moving on, its just one more frustration, and now that its fixed its 3 hours long and crap marks if you get the losing team- 3 hours for nothing is brutal. Hoping it actually gets a little fun eventually

[Galibier]

@ Vera the design had one issue summed up by an old axiom.. no plan survives contact with the enemy. The players were the enemy. The devs said what they were doing was unintended. If the player base did not hear this then ot would be Trion's fault maybe BUT if you bother reading chat in Conquest it is damn clear the word did get out. Once that happened it is on the players not Trion. Your consistent avoidance of this issue is ultimately a failing attempt to acknowledge the clear responsibility that rests on the shoulders of the player.

Here is another analogy. Someone trespasses on my property. I get tired of it. I can't put up a fence atm so I post no trespassing signs. He sees the signs acknowledges in public he saw them BUT continues to trespass. In most States he still gets arrested, the fact I did not yet put up the fence is not a defense and this appears to be your defense for the camping.

[Undrsiege]

Without wrath stones what do we buy with favor besides PA exp? Nothing I guess..

[Vera]

If the "obvious thing to do" is to cheat the system for your own personal gains, then there's really a problem right there. And it's hardly Trion's problem; it's yours, and other players who have similar mindsets. Hopefully they'll see this as a lesson though and remember not to leave any holes open for people like you to exploit.

"People like me?" I think the world you're looking for is "everybody".

Here is another analogy. Someone trespasses on my property. I get tired of it. I can't put up a fence atm so I post no trespassing signs. He sees the signs acknowledges in public he saw them BUT continues to trespass. In most States he still gets arrested, the fact I did not yet put up the fence is not a defense and this appears to be your defense for the camping.

That analogy doesn't really work, though. There are laws against trespassing on private property. In the case of Rift, Trion said it was unintended - they didn't say it was "against the law", to follow your analogy.

[Alistair]

The best solution is to ban all the exploiters from this game for good, that will be the best fix for this patch

[Aricia]

Spawn Camping.

It wasn't against the rules (no exploit)

But it was against the spirit of the game.

notice the difference?

[Lalothen]

Spawn Camping.

It wasn't against the rules (no exploit)

But it was against the spirit of the game.

notice the difference?

When it comes to competitive advantage, those who have lost out will abjectly refuse to make any distinction between the two.

[Alistair]

Spawn Camping.

It wasn't against the rules (no exploit)

But it was against the spirit of the game.

notice the difference?

If it was not an exploit why they are throwing fixes? Why there are people claiming a rollback? PvP had always a dark aura around it in this game exploit or not.

[Vera]

The best solution is to ban all the exploiters from this game for good, that will be the best fix for this patch

That would literally decimate the population of Rift. Stop crying because you missed out, casual.

[Alistair]

That would literally decimate the population of Rift. Stop crying because you missed out, casual.

Without the casuals this game was already dead and buried, i think i hitted you with that post, you naughty exploiter.

[Vera]

Without the casuals this game was already dead and buried, i think i hitted you with that post, you naughty exploiter.

lol u mad?