Warriors need to be balanced.

[CyanideRose]

Wtf are you talking about?

This is nothing but pure authentic frontier jibberish. Do you even read the posts, or do you just look at the thread title then start throwing stones?

On another note, warrior buddy of mine was in a T2 with some guildies, took off everything but his weapon and proceeded to out dps the entire group. These are HK geared folks, not terribads. Pretty amazing the numbers he pulled naked....

Put pics up, wait you can't right because it's "your Friend" tey had hk gear and can't out dps a naked Warrior? Lol bads, no way around that, I've seen a sab top off at 36k aoe dps then level off at 22k. Never seen a warrior do more then 15k and these are ID geared warriors.

[Sekhmet The Fierce]

Wtf are you talking about?

This is nothing but pure authentic frontier jibberish. Do you even read the posts, or do you just look at the thread title then start throwing stones?

On another note, warrior buddy of mine was in a T2 with some guildies, took off everything but his weapon and proceeded to out dps the entire group. These are HK geared folks, not terribads. Pretty amazing the numbers he pulled naked....

Having HK gear doesn't automatically make you be able to pull decent DPS or not be 'terribad'. Also, warrior DPS is still highly dependent on weapon DPS, so as long as you have a good weapon, you can still do a fair amount of damage 'naked'. This is because of the concept of abilities having a Weapon Damage Component and not pure scaling off AP.

So yeah, put up proof of parses or I might as well write this off as usual "Nerf this!" bluster.

[DrkC]

Put pics up, wait you can't right because it's "your Friend" tey had hk gear and can't out dps a naked Warrior? Lol bads, no way around that, I've seen a sab top off at 36k aoe dps then level off at 22k. Never seen a warrior do more then 15k and these are ID geared warriors.

LOL "Bad this Bad that." Why do you feel this inclination to act like you are such a boss because you've played the game more? Do you get bullied in RL so you have to talk down to people on the interwebs about a game?

I'll ask him to meter it and give me a pic, that way you will believe it. I'm not saying they are the best dps, but that should NEVER happen, unless they were pulling like 1k dps or something. Again, I'll meter his DPS and give you a pic so you'll believe it, in which case you'll probably just deny it or say something about someone being bad. I'll get more details for you, you skeptical cynical meat head.

[DrkC]

Having HK gear doesn't automatically make you be able to pull decent DPS or not be 'terribad'. Also, warrior DPS is still highly dependent on weapon DPS, so as long as you have a good weapon, you can still do a fair amount of damage 'naked'. This is because of the concept of abilities having a Weapon Damage Component and not pure scaling off AP.

So yeah, put up proof of parses or I might as well write this off as usual "Nerf this!" bluster.

I think lingering wounds should be cleansible but that's about it. As a mage healer it drives me crazy more so than the damage output. I like the challenge of healing through the dmg, it's hard and you have to time cleanses and what not. IMO, just sucks that it isn't cleansible.

[Mekenna]

Rogue Sabs have more AOE damage the warriors. Single target dps is equal between warriors, rogues, and mages which is a design flaw because ranged dps is equal to melee on a stationary target. Melee dps needs to be increased or ranged dps decreased.

A naked warrior can out dps a raid of very bad players. So can a cleric or rogue. The premise is stupid and your complaints about warriors are not only biased but complete lies. This thread is utter fail.

Pvp all ranged classes (cleric, rogue, mage) have a huge inherent advantage against any melee class. Which is why conquest highlights the fact warriors need significant buffs to damage and survivability. If you want balance then please start a detailed thread on proposed nerfs to all forms of ranged dps and clerics, mages, and rogues. Otherwise, stop complaining and be happy you play a game that is out of balance by favoring ranged dps in both pve and pvp.

You want balance? Then nerf rogues, clerics, and mages. Also, please start a thread advocating buffs to warriors in pvp and pve. Or maybe just stay out of the whole class balance discussion?

Lol.

[Mojave]

I don't think warriors should be nerfed because I play one and like being OP.

Thank you

[Stilly]

LOL "Bad this Bad that." Why do you feel this inclination to act like you are such a boss because you've played the game more? Do you get bullied in RL so you have to talk down to people on the interwebs about a game?

I'll ask him to meter it and give me a pic, that way you will believe it. I'm not saying they are the best dps, but that should NEVER happen, unless they were pulling like 1k dps or something. Again, I'll meter his DPS and give you a pic so you'll believe it, in which case you'll probably just deny it or say something about someone being bad. I'll get more details for you, you skeptical cynical meat head.

Yeah, we really need details and proof for such..claims.

Who is the naked warrior being compared against? Tank? Cleric healer? Bard spec? Other naked players?

Perhaps it could happen for certain match ups, dps vs non-dps, naked vs naked, etc. But a naked dps warrior out dpsing a hk-geared dps, which is what the implication seemed to be, i very highly doubt UNLESS they are not trying/afk, bad, etc.

[Fujitasix]

Rogue Sabs have more AOE damage the warriors. Single target dps is equal between warriors, rogues, and mages which is a design flaw because ranged dps is equal to melee on a stationary target. Melee dps needs to be increased or ranged dps decreased.

A naked warrior can out dps a raid of very bad players. So can a cleric or rogue. The premise is stupid and your complaints about warriors are not only biased but complete lies. This thread is utter fail.

Pvp all ranged classes (cleric, rogue, mage) have a huge inherent advantage against any melee class. Which is why conquest highlights the fact warriors need significant buffs to damage and survivability. If you want balance then please start a detailed thread on proposed nerfs to all forms of ranged dps and clerics, mages, and rogues. Otherwise, stop complaining and be happy you play a game that is out of balance by favoring ranged dps in both pve and pvp.

You want balance? Then nerf rogues, clerics, and mages. Also, please start a thread advocating buffs to warriors in pvp and pve. Or maybe just stay out of the whole class balance discussion?

Lol.

The difference (and benefit) of being a warrior is we can retain 95% of our ST damage while still producing some of the best AoE in the game. That is our reward per se for being limited to two roles, imo. Keeping our attack points on our character instead of our target is also a benefit - some of our builds don't have significant build up periods which is a bonus in PvE and PvP both.

[Ianto Jones]

Warriors:

1. Put DR on Rift Summon and Sergeant's Order.
2. Put a 15s ICD on Planar Blade.
3. Nerf DMMA to 5% / 10%.

I think that'd pretty well cover it.

[Stilly]

Warriors:

1. Put DR on Rift Summon and Sergeant's Order.
2. Put a 15s ICD on Planar Blade.
3. Nerf DMMA to 5% / 10%.

I think that'd pretty well cover it.

So, lets see what you are saying here. Cut down on tank pull to get opponents to you. Severely cut down on the one thing that gives us a decent chance at some mobility to get to them. Not sure what DMMA is.
And we have still have to be in melee range to be a factor. No thanks.

[Mr Sandman]

Warriors:

1. Put DR on Rift Summon and Sergeant's Order.
2. Put a 15s ICD on Planar Blade.
3. Nerf DMMA to 5% / 10%.

I think that'd pretty well cover it.

Nope, you forgot 2 things:

4. Nerf dmg reduction from tank gifts by 95%.
5. Nerf Rift Storm so that it ticks for 300 on a 0 valor target.

[Sekhmet The Fierce]

Nope, you forgot 2 things:

4. Nerf dmg reduction from tank gifts by 95%.
5. Nerf Rift Storm so that it ticks for 300 on a 0 valor target.

You forgot this:

6) Warriors no longer are able to equip Swords, Maces, Axes, and Two-handed weapons. Instead, they will wield wet lettuce leaves from now on.

[Ianto Jones]

So, lets see what you are saying here. Cut down on tank pull to get opponents to you. Severely cut down on the one thing that gives us a decent chance at some mobility to get to them. Not sure what DMMA is.
And we have still have to be in melee range to be a factor. No thanks.

I'm all for a ranged soul for Warriors mate. Warriors need to be able to be kited if they're going to do the kind of damage they do, especially once the Maelforge relics start rolling into WFs. If you want that sort of mobility you need to give up something for it like all the non-Marksman souls do. As a Pyro I can Flicker twice (15m each) every 2 minutes and a Warrior can still catch me with Mighty Leap + any gap closer (doesn't even have to be Riftwalk). You have to be in melee range? Okay. I have to stand still and cast -- if I don't my damage is laughable; if I do and something gets into melee range, I die. It's a trade-off. The only ones who don't make this sacrifice are ranged Rogues and everyone knows they need the bat. And it's not like a RB/Champ won't still have 3 separate gap closers.

As for the pulls... really? They're pretty indefensible, especially with the way Rift Summon is reset by Planar Blade. That is more game-ruining than Dominator. If I get marked for a yank in a WF or a Conquest I basically can't fight at all. There is DR on knockbacks and all other movement impairments. The same should be true for these.

Yeah, Warriors suck in Conquest. I get that. But, Conquest is a lost cause until the crazy effectiveness of AOE in Rift's PvP in general is addressed.

DMMA = Don't Make Me Angry, +30% AP on being critically hit. I'm amazed people don't QQ about this more.

Nope, you forgot 2 things:

4. Nerf dmg reduction from tank gifts by 95%.
5. Nerf Rift Storm so that it ticks for 300 on a 0 valor target.

I forgot nothing.

[usman]

Sergeant's Order and Rift summon have been included in the movement CC DR group since DR was introduced. Players are very often immune to being pulled in.

As for DMMA its nothing like as good as it looks on paper, the actual buff it gives is much less than 30% of actual AP as it only affects your base AP from gear and doesn't affect vengeance or PA's or any other buff. As such its a less powerful buff than something like a riftstalker blink or internalise charge for example.

I also can't agree with an ICD on riftwalk, it would render warriors into cannon fodder for all ranged classes. But i would agree with a small reduction in its range from 20m down to 15m which allow more skilled players to kite warriors more successfully, and require warriors to exert more skill to not be kited.

[jca]

Just as a side note, Rift Summon can't be on the same DR as Sergeant's Orders. I regularly have my SO resisted but the follow up RS isn't.

On topic, Conquest has highlighted the achilles heal of all warriors. We need a nerf? Really?