New pvp gear /facepalm

[Mako482]

They aren't telling you to go to gw2 at all. Trion spent alot of time making conquest, it is flawed and a bit raw but with work can be great.
I enjoy pve and I enjoy PvP here however it is clear gearing is an issue, trion wants there to be cross over between the two forms, they put work in both aspects and want everyone to enjoy both. This means they don't want gear to be exclusive from each other, this is a principle I like. However; the execution is very much a work in progress and no easy fix. Having items from pve work well in PvP is not the issue, nor is it vica versa, the issue is the items being TOO good in the opposite forms of the game. The fact it is too much of a one sided relationship is what's causing the issue, and the fact whenever attempts to balance it the other way are made there are outcries about PvP gear being too easy to obtain yet at the same time complaints that a pver must PvP to get the item

Trion put a lot of work into pve and wants me to enjoy both huh? Tell you what.....when they make the game FREE instead of charging by the month they can attempt to force me to enjoy pve. And thank you Capt. Obvious for pointing out the problem is not that they are pve weapons, but that the pve weapons are better. Really?!?!? Did you seriously think we were complaining about these weapons being used in pvp simply because they were from pve?

[Mako482]

The new PVP2 Gear got Nerfed big time after the outcry from the PVE Raiders about how unfair that was and now they were going to have to grind PVP for best in slot. The top weapons for a fact had 100 Hit / Focus on them before the Nerf Now they have 76.

Meanwhile they (pve weps) still have more dps, isn't Trion awesome?!

[Mako482]

Impressed with your passion. Surprised that with all your seething hatred of Rift pvp that you haven't found something more to your liking to spend your time and energy on by now.

It humors me how people interpret text as if I am foaming at the mouth mad.

I still play Rift because there is nothing better out there....yet. I thoroughly enjoyed the last GW2 beta and am siked for its release, unless Trion fixes these last remaining pvp killers (imo) I won't be back at that point. I am passionate about this subject because I know this pvp can be so much better. I love the soul system, I love the fluidness of the combat and just the atmosphere of the game altogether, but there are too many pvp killers that remain for me and they are obvious crap that could easily be fixed. Trion is just too stubborn to do it.

[habby]

1v1, if you lose to a PvE geared player with your PvP gear on, you suck. They would have to be doing well over twice your damage (on a training dummy) in order to beat you. They are taking your full damage, you are taking approx 45% of their damage. You have significantly more HP's.

In a group setting, yes, a PvE geared player will be doing higher DPS, but will melt alot easier. It's kind of a tradeoff.

[KML]

What Habby says should be somewhat true for armor, though one needs to include differences in endurance as well. Trion needs to do the same with weapons. Either put lots of valor on the weapon, or create a PVE equivalent of vengeance (spell/attack power that only works in PVE) so that the PVE weapons aren't any better than the PVP ones.

[eiekal]

Anyone who posts on this thread saying that they think pve gear should be on par with pvp gear while doing pvp is trying to keep their pve gear from getting nerfed when they do pvp. Or rather, they dont want it to be less powerful in comparison to the top pvp gear when doing pvp.

I mean is anyone going to straight-up post that the top pve gear should do equally well in pvp when compaired to the top pvp gear?

If you are, say it outright and post why you think so. Smoke and mirrors to derail or belittle the topic wont be appreciated.

[Jawsnap]

If Trion are so comfortable to make PvP Weapons/Gear in PvE SO useless, why don't they do the same in PvP to PvE Weapons/Gear?

That way, all the annoying PvE geared sad f**ks who spend 50% of their day in PvE and the other 50% in PvP (Which by the way, are generally the ones without a life or a job) - who come in to Warfronts/Conquest; will be FORCED to put their PvP Gear on to be effective.

Vengeance is f**king useless other than the fact that it keeps PvP weapons/gear out of PvE - when PvE weapons/gear (minus the valor) is 100% more effective than all the vengeance in the world.

P!sses me off tbh. And I don't give a flying f**k who disagrees with me, calls me mad, or whatever - because for that to happen, I'd first have to value those peoples opinions, and tbh - I couldn't care less if you dropped dead on the spot tomorrow.

[RobXIII]

If Trion are so comfortable to make PvP Weapons/Gear in PvE SO useless, why don't they do the same in PvP to PvE Weapons/Gear?

That way, all the annoying PvE geared sad f**ks who spend 50% of their day in PvE and the other 50% in PvP (Which by the way, are generally the ones without a life or a job) - who come in to Warfronts/Conquest; will be FORCED to put their PvP Gear on to be effective.

Vengeance is f**king useless other than the fact that it keeps PvP weapons/gear out of PvE - when PvE weapons/gear (minus the valor) is 100% more effective than all the vengeance in the world.

P!sses me off tbh. And I don't give a flying f**k who disagrees with me, calls me mad, or whatever - because for that to happen, I'd first have to value those peoples opinions, and tbh - I couldn't care less if you dropped dead on the spot tomorrow.

Whoa settle down, this is just a game no need to hope people die IRL :P

Buff Vengeance!!!

[saboikie]

Would a possible fix for this not be something like this:

Valor = DIRECT opposite of HIT (e.g. 1000 Valor = need 1000 Hit to overcome)

Would that not effectively make the PvE weapon useless in PvP?

In PvE , you do need that high output damage from the weapon, because the boss mobs have millions of hitpoints, but in PvP your opponent usually has < 20k.

Really, Vengeance should be the ONLY ability that can damage a PvP opponent, IF Valor and Vengeance are PvP specific/only stats.

That being said, I personally favor removal of the Valor/Vengeance stats, and would prefer a system where the sigil/source engine essences would be the things that are useful in PvP (e.g. shorter duration of stun effect, ability to sense rogues [my personal favorite], spell resistance, increased speed/reactions, etc.)

[Asteldian]

Trion put a lot of work into pve and wants me to enjoy both huh? Tell you what.....when they make the game FREE instead of charging by the month they can attempt to force me to enjoy pve. And thank you Capt. Obvious for pointing out the problem is not that they are pve weapons, but that the pve weapons are better. Really?!?!? Did you seriously think we were complaining about these weapons being used in pvp simply because they were from pve?

It seems despite me being captain obvious you seem to have failed to grasp the concept of the message. The fact that a pve weapon is better is not the big issue (well, to a small minority maybe) it's the fact it is masSively better in every way. More importantly it is a one sided issue, pvpers don't get a load of gear being miles better than the pve gear in either form. Closest there was to that was a nerfed trinket.

Correcting the disparity makes a big difference even to those who exclusively PvP. Sure they'll be bitter that they would have to do both to get all bis, but with the difference in quality reduced then it won't make or break a player, more importantly if there is a fair divide between the two forms it means PvP gear can a actually be designed to be good rather that the **** currently on offer.

Sadly the pve players will slam down anything that would be a decent item from PvP and given they have all the power things are unlikely to change.

Basically trion have to come to a decision - either make the two forms exlusive and accept their cross form plans are a failure, or man the **** up and start making decent PvP gear regardless of whining pve purists

[Violacea]

Meanwhile they (pve weps) still have more dps, isn't Trion awesome?!

The ID relics are the only weapons you'd want to use over PvE weapons in PvP. The ID epics are about lateral to the r50 weapons *in pvp settings*. The extra valor/END makes the tipping point worth it imo now that pvp weapons have +hit. I already brought out a ti-84 and did this junk. Even considering the relics, r50 weapons aren't like OMFG WAY BEHIND. It's a smaller bump from r50 ---> ID relic than r40 ---> r50.

[Xnon]

Whoa settle down, this is just a game no need to hope people die IRL :P

Buff Vengeance!!!

i dont want people to die IRL but tbh i as a PvE and PvP player Hate People that PvE only,they like QQ about anything that pvpers enjoy or MIGHT,yes MIGHT the gear got nerfed in PTS

[-Shiva-]

The ID relics are the only weapons you'd want to use over PvE weapons in PvP. The ID epics are about lateral to the r50 weapons *in pvp settings*. The extra valor/END makes the tipping point worth it imo now that pvp weapons have +hit. I already brought out a ti-84 and did this junk. Even considering the relics, r50 weapons aren't like OMFG WAY BEHIND. It's a smaller bump from r50 ---> ID relic than r40 ---> r50.

For my Rogue, the crafted axes are the best. They have better core stats, +65 Hit, and more Valour. The only stats that the R50 Shivs have that are better are End, and Vengeance.

Crafted melee weapons that require ID crafting materials to make are BiS in PvP for Rogues. Kinda strange, but that's the way it is right now.

[Demonin]

Byr ur logic they should just give the PVP gear for free why do we have prestige and favour, its cause the majorety of ppl sadly need a loot carrot to play. W8 and see how the wf's get less populated and u will understand the issue