Revisiting Lingering Wounds - Healing Debuff Comparisons

[Aguni]

Hey guys, X calling is useless because of MY experiences.

Kthxbai.

[Woor]

Cannon fodder doesn't get heals.

Not everybody has the luxury of running around with a pocket healer, you know ;)
Me I'm glad warriors are finally able to kill stuff again too, I might even consider PvP again myself.

W.

[Aguni]

So what you're saying is, you weren't very good at the game and needed a buff that has resulted in Warriors being as bad as RS variants, in order to be effective in PvP?


Bad as Majorin.

People need to play with Oaf sometime, dude was a beast when he was in my Battle group.

[Mei]

Not everybody has the luxury of running around with a pocket healer...

It isn't a pocket healer if it's in a premade.

[Fates]

So what you're saying is, you weren't very good at the game and needed a buff that has resulted in Warriors being as bad as RS variants, in order to be effective in PvP?


Bad as Majorin.

People need to play with Oaf sometime, dude was a beast when he was in my Battle group.

I can personally attest to Oaf being a boss (giggles in background)

[Zyzyx]

Hey guys this thread is still going on?

Well I have personally looked into this issue more than anyone else. Through countless hours of science I have determined the % chance to proc reduction on VM is dumb ,and should be removed.

Thanks for your time. I hope the devs admit their mistake and revert this bad change that is bad.

[Ajax1114]

It's true I swore off PvP in Rift a long time ago because warriors were utterly useless and basically free favor, especially for healers. And that is exactly what you want us to go back to. Some kind of training dummy.

Seeing all the QQ about warrior "OP'ness" kinda makes me want to give it a go again actually.

As to LW being cleanseable, no why should it be? Warrior on your face is suposed to hurt, we only have melee. Otherwise make LW 30 meter range and leech healing, but then the QQ would start anew because OMG the warrior heals, he's unkillable wah.

And don't think writing "that's an entirely different debate" fools anybody, your point of view is clear, nerf whatever warrior ability that can kill me, I want my free favor again.

L2P and stop whining on the forums. Don't like it? Don't play it.

W.

If you'd been paying attention (which you clearly haven't) you'd see that I've actually suggested making LW a cleanseable healing siphon. I'm not out to destroy warriors, which again, I've even emphasized to the point of disagreeing with people in my own thread who had more extreme views about nerfing LW.

And yes, of course I'm asking for a "nerf." What the hell else would you call it? Making the ability cleanseable would be unarguably a slight reduction in the power of the ability, even with the addition of a heal siphon. I'm 100% aware of this. The point is for the ability to be on the same level of other classes, not below, or above as it is now. I don't understand why you're struggling to comprehend this.

Stop whining about people whining. If you don't agree, learn how to argue a point instead of crying about people who disagree with your opinions. You're making the same ridiculous points that tons of warriors already have in some desperate fit of wanting their class to remain unchanged. "Warrior on your face is supposed to hurt"? No, really? I had no idea. Of course they are supposed to and they do. Making a debuff cleanseable will not change that.

[Woor]

If you'd been paying attention (which you clearly haven't) you'd see that I've actually suggested making LW a cleanseable healing siphon. I'm not out to destroy warriors, which again, I've even emphasized to the point of disagreeing with people in my own thread who had more extreme views about nerfing LW.

And I DID say "otherwise make it a 30m ranged healing leech". But that would just bring us new QQ about "unkillable warriors".

W.

[Kyera]

And I DID say "otherwise make it a 30m ranged healing leech". But that would just bring us new QQ about "unkillable warriors".

Fix the proc rate at 20%, reduce the AoE proc chance, give them a 30m range in one spec (dial back the 30m spammable's damage, mind you), make the buff purgeable, make the debuff cleansable.

Sure, I'd do that.

[Ajax1114]

And I DID say "otherwise make it a 30m ranged healing leech". But that would just bring us new QQ about "unkillable warriors".

W.

Certainly not from me. I'm not sure I've complained about NB/RSs ever and excepting for the difference in heailng debuff, they're not a whole lot different than a warrior if I'm playing a caster.

I'm certainly not going to be concerned about a heal siphon if I'm playing a pyro/dom or a healing cleric. For the first, there's nothing to siphon - I kill, get killed, or run away. For the second, cleanse is my friend.

[paper]

Hey guys this thread is still going on?

Well I have personally looked into this issue more than anyone else. Through countless hours of science I have determined the % chance to proc reduction on VM is dumb ,and should be removed.

Thanks for your time. I hope the devs admit their mistake and revert this bad change that is bad.

If they remove the siphon portion, then sure! But of course this is coming from possibly the only rogue ever to actually lose 1v1 to a trollicar!

[Aguni]

Passive heal debuffs are stupid.

[Mouset]

You all appear to have forgotten that druid has a healing debuff as well.
Nerf it now, before its op like the others!

[grapesoda]

You all appear to have forgotten that druid has a healing debuff as well.
Nerf it now, before its op like the others!

You mean the actively applied heal debuff? The one with a cooldown? ... yeah, it's TOTALLY the same thing.

[Cygfa]

You mean the actively applied heal debuff? The one with a cooldown? ... yeah, it's TOTALLY the same thing.

DRUID LOLOLOLO

on a serious note, making healing debuffs a) gcd but no cd, b) no dmg and c) cleansable would solve a lot (all) of the current problems.

This way: a) no class can kill a healer in 1v1 (warriors I'm looking at you), which is how it should be, and b) people will probably be less likely to macro this ability (since it does no dmg) an will actually have to pay attention to the target's debuffs (more intelligent, skill based pvp). Also not having aoe healing debuffs would force more people to actually smart, single target for kills instead of lolhksabbing their way to victory.