Nerf warriors in

[Kyera]

I guess I missed that comment from nem.

I know how to kite, and warriors are pretty ******* silly. Feel free to tell me I'm bad, though! They're at the high point of the cycle again, and I know I keep saying it, but it ultimately boils down to LW and PB refreshing RW on crit. Take that out of the picture and I think Rift Storm becomes less problematic. People are crying about the wrong **** -- again -- and it's going to get nerfed, and warriors are going to be underpowered, and then Trion will overbuff them in another two months and some build with RW and/or LW will be the fotm again.

[Kajib]

Lets make it fair
Nerf warrior pvp damage,revert warrior 1.8 tank changes(nerfs) so warriors can run hybrid specs again
Then nerf
-1.8 mages hp pool + heal changes
-1.8 Saboteur damage in pvp including 4 pieces crystal.
-1.8 clerics tank/heal specs.

[HannonHellbringer]

Guys, Warriors are balanced. Look at all the Warriors telling you how balanced they are! It must be true.

I know not to go by the number of posts vs the other number of posts. I also know that warriors need tweaking in some areas, what I fear though is an overhanded, crazy, monster, sledgehammer nerf due to mis information. I agree with most of your ideas, hell maybe all of them I don't remember. Point is that warriors are feeling uneasy because this has happened before and put warriors in a very bad place for a long time. I can't totally blame dedicated warriors for fighting and holding on for dear life upon these changes in 1.8.

[HannonHellbringer]

Make RIIIIFFFFFTTTTTT SSSTTTTTTAARRRRRMMMM the 51 point ability and undo the nerf you already did to it. Then make Avatar of Rift the 31 point ability. Problem Solved now we can all go back to fearing the true scary warrior ability CORNED BEEF

Putting Avatar of the rift as a 31 point ability would probably be worse than riftstorm... The insane damage from a 38rb/28champ would be through the roof if you gave a 12% damage bonus to crits AND gave +50% damage to burst abilities. That would be the real two shot.

[Charlice]

1. I tend to get top KBs because i gave up trying to kill warriors for the most part.

2. all the warriors seem to think that i dont know how to kite and encourge me to try. lol, bro, I am excellent at kiting

3. yes i am wearing 3 pieces of the HK stuff to get the crystal bonus but i still have 800 valor

Maybe increase your valour and stop crying?

[RobXIII]

I used to run the tank spec in my sig, but the survivability was nerfed somewhat, so what was the point? Off to 51 champ for me. Enjoy your Corned Beef!

That said, against mages that know what they're doing (insta squirrel, roots, snares, warps) I may kill then 1 in 30 times. So when I do finally get in range I *should* do +1erer damage to what a mage can.

Serious question time: Should one dps be able to solo a healer cleric assuming they have mana left? I dont think they should unless their spec sucks :P

[Sabryn]

lol, good one bro. I love how i didnt say that yet it says i did. L337 skills. lol

800 valor? Seriously? Are you even wearing PvP gear?

Drop that MM spec, get PvP gear, and go sabo if you want 500 KBs and 9348 bazillion damage in a warfront.

[Pyrodude78]

One would argue that by choosing to use your PvE synergy crystal you are trading survivability for more damage, this risks getting you killed quickly. Funny logic right?

Long story short if you are running around in pve gear you deserve to get **** on. Be it by a warrior, rogue, cleric or mage.

[Charlice]

well said, thats all ive been seeing is diversinary comments and red herrings. Rofl at all these crusty warriors

rofl at your 800 valor! Hahahahahahahaha

[Ajax1114]

It is lingering wounds, which I am sure will get nerfed.

I thought wardens were fine and you seen what happened to them.

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that - last I checked - Lingering Wounds can get a guaranteed AoE application through Proper Timing and any AoE ability.

The part that surprises me is that I haven't seen a truckload of threads about how obviously OP that is. I mean, fanout got a nerf to its AoE application and it's cleansable. LW gets no nerf and is uncleanseable. Double standard?

[victz]

what I fear though is an overhanded, crazy, monster, sledgehammer nerf due to mis information.

hm... if memory serves, weren't you one of the people calling for cleric nerfs in 1.7? I guess I can dig through your post history. Just a moment...




Yes. Yes you were.

[Xiahoudun]

Guys, Warriors are balanced. Look at all the Warriors telling you how balanced they are! It must be true.

If my car ran on win, this post could power it for a year.

[Sun Tzu]

These nerf warrior threads are strikingly similar to the ones that were rolling in when Para/champ was
the big spec.

you have the " nothing wrong with warriors L2P" crowed
and you have the no talent crying "i got 2 shotted nerf plz"

the way i see it is there are 2 things in common with both the specs then and now.
1- lingering wounds + insta crit AoE
2- insane mobility

damage is damage, what warriors can do now is about the same ST damage as the pyro or MM even a Inq.
warriors currently have great AoE burst and sustained damage- with about the same survivability as other toons,
my thought is if you cant currently beat a warrior its because you are not doing alot of damage- and you likely have issues with alot of other classes that are out there that have the same firepower.
so even after they give you the nurfs you want someone else is going to kill you anyways.
unless you can Kite like a MM, CC like a pyrodom, take a beating like a RS, or self heal like a good cleric
then you had better do ALOT of damage to beat a warrior.

im not saying there are not issues with warriors ,
what i am saying is that every class is equipped to deal with them.
when they nerfed warriors because of Parachamps they did not fix the real issue witch was AP scaling
now that is fixed and they need to focus on individual abilitys.
there are several specs out there that give warriors alot of trouble--but again this sounds alot like what was argued before, and warriors lost out big, for a long time. the argument didnt help anything

dramatic changes will not be needed as before--(it was a flat dps reduction)
i do think there are a few things that need to be looked at,

but lets not get carried away , warriors need to do damage when they get to you, a lot of damage.

if they choose to nurf Planar Blade and riftwalk that might help some specs get away, and i for one would be ok with that.
Lingering wounds should be cleanse-able - not that it would help because cleansing requires a global CD
and it would just be reapplied anyways. -- id be ok if they removed the power all together or not allow it to apply on AOE

but i think we all know by now that no matter what is changed someone will be killed by a warrior or someone else and then come to the forums and cry about it.

[Tyaus]

I dont play a warrior, but I play with the best and against the best. And for any warrior who says they are not not op right now is sticking their head in the sand.

Warriors need a adjustment, I think it it is LW, but I might be wrong.

[Pett]

I dont play a warrior, but I play with the best and against the best. And for any warrior who says they are not not op right now is sticking their head in the sand.

Warriors need a adjustment, I think it it is LW, but I might be wrong.

Personally i would agree.

Make LW cleansable and possibly add an ICD to Rift Walk. I dont think warrior damage is a problem, they are supposed to hit hard.... its what they do.