The truth about twinks.

[Bhrawn]

I have run some stats on the twink issue at level 19 where the problem is worst.

10-50% = The variance in spell/ability damage/healing due to spell/ability ranks available at different levels.
0-20% = The variance in damage/healing due to non-twink gear variance available at different levels.
10-70% = The variance in damage/healing due to normal RIFT rules without twinks.

10-40% = The variance in damage/healing from a well-geared 19 vs. a twink.
Warrior 10%, Rogue 20%, Cleric 30%, Mage 40%.

20-110%= The total disparity between a well-geared level 10 vs. a 19 twink.

36% = The proportion of warfront disparity at 10-19 due to twinking.

As you can see, almost half the problem is due to spell/ability ranks. Can they not scale as you level?
This problem decreases with higher levels - and so does the twink advantage.

The main twink issue is that they have their main advantage at 19 - and since they have no way to fight among themselves, the warfront levellers and noobs get dragged into the fight.

Where on earth did you get these numbers... I'm not sure how accurate they are. :S

[Hotter]

Hey don't question statistics! Make believe numbers supported by make believe math. Why did you know 96% of all statistics are wrong?

[Charlice]

Hey don't question statistics! Make believe numbers supported by make believe math. Why did you know 96% of all statistics are wrong?

Hotter, I think you'll find that the correct percentage is 97.666. I know that to be fact.
The space monkeys told me!

[Meina]

Lol

So you ASSUME that I don't think there is a problem with post 50 pvp gear. I actually DO think there is a problem with gear gap at that level. I saw a great suggestion in another thread about lowering the prestige requirement to r25 and increasing the prestige requirement from there to r50. But what am I thinking you are to busy fixing things that don't need to be fixed rather than things that do need to be fixed.

Here's the thing...

Yes, the gear gap in this game is pretty messed up. But, the gap in the lower brackets is nowhere near as bad as it is at 50. Trion does seem to be working on the problem at 50 but we're still not quite there yet.

Also, it takes 100 times longer to gear a toon at 50 than it does at <50. This allows people to a) get into the fight that much faster and b) run multiple toons of varying classes. The ability to run multiple toons in and of itself is a very big draw for XP locking. Multiple toons allows you to change things up if you get bored, so it keeps thing interesting.

There are also several other factors involved that make XP locking more fun than end game, but we've been over these a ton of times already.

[Kyera]

I know it's sad, but the grass is greener on the other side.
It's time to unlock your XP.

I've been picking up PA since that patch note went in.

Lol

So you ASSUME that I don't think there is a problem with post 50 pvp gear. I actually DO think there is a problem with gear gap at that level. I saw a great suggestion in another thread about lowering the prestige requirement to r25 and increasing the prestige requirement from there to r50. But what am I thinking you are to busy fixing things that don't need to be fixed rather than things that do need to be fixed.

Your post certainly implied a different perception, all I'm saying.

Yeah and MMAC you have a problem with that? We have fun and wpvp, which is pretty cool and stuff. We go to Sanctum and provoke guards and have a good time. Don't know what is so lol about that.

Yes, I do. There's a lot of 'lol'. Sorry if you're new to it all. <3

[Ashh]

Yes, I do. There's a lot of 'lol'. Sorry if you're new to it all. <3

Maybe you could fill me in, I like to lol too <3

[Kyera]

Maybe you could fill me in, I like to lol too <3

Ask Menaace about Black Flag. That should give you all the details.~

[Slayqualm]

Where on earth did you get these numbers... I'm not sure how accurate they are. :S

I used ZamRift for the data on spell/ability rank variance.
Non-twink gear variance was estimated by asking numerous questers what their AP/SP was. A level 10 typically had about half the AP/SP of a geared level 19.
I recorded stats from my 4 level 19 twinks of each class and 1 untwinked 19. A fully geared non-twinked 19 will have about 60% the AP/SP of a fully twinked 19. I tested spells/abilities on level 19 Stonecrush trolls in Stonefield. Tests were done at fully twinked AP/SP and at 60% and 30% AP/SP. I accounted for spell/physical critical rates also.

[Slayqualm]

Hey don't question statistics! Make believe numbers supported by make believe math. Why did you know 96% of all statistics are wrong?

And statistics show that 2/3 of forum posters are just as dumb as the other one? 8)

[ChrisN]

In regards to all the people who twink, I'm looking forward to beating up the bad players who twink, when they come back to the level 50 bracket.

I really wanted to call those bad players another name but I'm sure some person would complain endlessly to a moderator.

[Slayqualm]

In regards to all the people who twink, I'm looking forward to beating up the bad players who twink, when they come back to the level 50 bracket.

I really wanted to call those bad players another name but I'm sure some person would complain endlessly to a moderator.

Look forward all you like for those coming back. I won't be. I'd guess I'm not the only one. How do you know twinks are bad players?

[Rozel]

*Crits with sanction heretic for 3k in 40-49 bracket*
*takes off 2/3 of their hp*
I believe this is skill.

Anywho, Wasn't it that the lower your level was, the more a stat was worth? I hated how my 40% chance to crit at level 20 dropped to 22% by 30( pulling number out of the air, but it was something like that.)

And is the gear gap that bad once you're in a decent amount of pvp gear? I know I can faceroll some people on my p40 rogue, but it isn't that bad to be on the offensive when I play my p14 warrior. I blame this due to warriors being op though.

[Nsayn1]

I have run some stats on the twink issue at level 19 where the problem is worst.

10-50% = The variance in spell/ability damage/healing due to spell/ability ranks available at different levels.
0-20% = The variance in damage/healing due to non-twink gear variance available at different levels.
10-70% = The variance in damage/healing due to normal RIFT rules without twinks.

10-40% = The variance in damage/healing from a well-geared 19 vs. a twink.
Warrior 10%, Rogue 20%, Cleric 30%, Mage 40%.

20-110%= The total disparity between a well-geared level 10 vs. a 19 twink.

36% = The proportion of warfront disparity at 10-19 due to twinking.

As you can see, almost half the problem is due to spell/ability ranks. Can they not scale as you level?
This problem decreases with higher levels - and so does the twink advantage.

The main twink issue is that they have their main advantage at 19 - and since they have no way to fight among themselves, the warfront levellers and noobs get dragged into the fight.

Twinks never woulda been that much of an issue if you nubs wouldnt band together and sync que. Oh and use the 120sp pa enchant. I mean if it takes you all that to win you absolutely suck. The game you fled from earlier today Qualm b/c you were the only twink vs multiple twinks, we still stomped them btw.

[Zaros]

Look forward all you like for those coming back. I won't be. I'd guess I'm not the only one. How do you know twinks are bad players?

Because they said "Hey sweet, I can score a gear advantage and destroy unwitting new players" and thought it was a great idea.

Yeah, yeah, 50 PVP is exactly the same, right? I hear that all the time. It isn't.

[Charlice]

Because they said "Hey sweet, I can score a gear advantage and destroy unwitting new players" and thought it was a great idea.

Yeah, yeah, 50 PVP is exactly the same, right? I hear that all the time. It isn't.

Word. Study.