Should something be done about Rift Storm?

**HannonHellbringer** · 06-21-2012 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Zaros

Yeah, that's why I said specced 16 into VK. If you have a self cleanse, RW and LW you should be able to kill a Chlorodom, since they won't be able to throw any power drain shenannigans.

It's true RW doesn't break transmog, but 38/28 RB/Champs have two break frees, so squirreling you 1v1 isn't going to get very far.

No, but time them right and it can still stop a warrior in his tracks to help get some distance and if a warrior is fighting a Pyro/dom, they get the fast fireballs from transmog right? It may not lock a warrior in the squirrel for long but they just need it to proc their quick fireball, creat some distance and they get a couple of good hits. Even while using a 38/29 rb/champ you only get just over 8k health and two good hits from fireballs can do some good damge and put the mage in a comanding lead. But like I said, RB/champs can come back VERY quickly, and if they get in a 20m range, its pretty much over for the pyro/dom.

**Stilly** · 06-21-2012 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Aguni

Lack of spell hasting outside of pyrodom, so burst damage takes far too long to set up.
Lack of survivability outside chlorolock and chlorodom.
No AE spec since stormcaller was nerfed.

Reliant on CC despite its strict limitations.
Unable to kite unless gimmicky specs are used; no offense Gitsune; and a lack of viable options overall.

Mages need a bit of a buff.

Hm, let's see.
The ability to possess relatively an infinite amount of teleports.
Two gap closers by default.
A third gap closer with thunderous leap which is universal.
breaks CC with rift walk.
Can CC from range.
Can apply a healing debuff passively by simply critting.

VERY, BALANCED.

RS variants are just as bad as RB/champ if not worse.

CLerics are fine though.

I suppose the inability to kite unless you are a marksman, purge unless you are a marksman, or have usable CC when two callings break them constantly means its all perfectly balanced and not at all overpowered.

Do enlighten me.

I am sorry, I must be imagining warriors being unkitable currently by the mage calling and cleric calling.

No body cares.
Get to the present.

Only one person can attack the warrior at a time.
The warrior can receive all the healing he wants though.

(b^_^)

Your main problem is that you don't want to be enlightened, but rather gripe and moan and toss out various mis-truths, half-truths, exaggeration about warrior abilities.

You complain about mages being locked into a few builds for pvp. Guess what, dps warrior is pretty much in the same boat. Basically you need a RB spec with PB/RW to even get a decent chance at enough mobility to keep from simply being kited to death. 51 champ would hurt worse but should be a joke to even a half-way competent range. Survivability/escape tools or means to self heal are basically non-existent. Tank builds are more utility/hindrance rather than damage threat. Sounds like you want warriors to be easy kills and not something you need to seriously worry about.

Your little gem about warriors.

[I]Hm, let's see.
The ability to possess relatively an infinite amount of teleports.
Two gap closers by default.
A third gap closer with thunderous leap which is universal.
breaks CC with rift walk.
Can CC from range.
Can apply a healing debuff passively by simply critting.

Let's set aside the moment that much of that is outright nonsense or exaggeration even with RB build.
How much applies to a low or non-RB build?
How easy is it to kite or make largely ineffective such a warrior?

I realize that warriors can lay down the hurt under the right conditions. But then so can the other classes as well. Warriors have their weaknesses and limitations, with the biggest being their melee range requirement. Same applies to other classes.

Tip RE kiting a warrior. Warriors cannot do squat > 20m. They have limited abilities they can do not outside melee range and most of those have a cooldown of some sort. Being at more that 20m is preferred, but not mandatory to successfully kite a warrior. You need not be the one to get the kill for it to be successful. Drag him to teammates or drag it out long enough until he gives up also count as successful kite.

I have been kited by mages and clerics even when in my RB build. They did not try to stand there and duke it out but got moving, got some distance and trotted along to their buddies. If my rush or RW are on cooldowns then not much i can do other than trot along behind them (i.e., "infinite about of teleports" is a myth). Cannot tell you how many times used a port only to see them keep on running.

**styl** · 06-21-2012 04:09 PM

after 26 pages I would guess the answer is ... yes

**Stilly** · 06-21-2012 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by styl

after 26 pages I would guess the answer is ... yes

Or......no

**Majorin** · 06-21-2012 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by stefe

After seeing many many posts by Majorin defending the current state of warriors, i am now convinced that if warriors are allowed to continue their op roflstomping lolfests until warfronts are 20 warriors vs 20 warriors skillstorming each other down, he would still continue to preach how balanced warriors are. I think most reasonably intelligent pvp'ers can admit it. Alot who dont are simply trying to ride out the skillstorm fest as long as possible.

Marjorin.....I 'm convinced that he actually, truly, really believes warriors are not op.

The class damage is fine considering it is melee. The blade spells can be cleansed. Rift storm can be prevented and avoided a number of different ways. Honestly, it is not even a debate at this point. Need to move on. LOL. Look at warfront results and notice the healing it takes for a warrior to be competitive vs. a rogue or Mage. As a warrior you need to que with a pocket healer or can't do anything.

So yea. Warriors are fine. Just pay attention.

**dpser** · 06-21-2012 04:49 PM

Speaking as a warrior, we can be OP in certain wf situations.

One could also argue that cleric healers are the most valuable in many situations. Does that make them OP?

A great rogue in Codex or Whitefall can sway some battles more than any other calling. Does that make them OP?

Depends on the mix and the situation.

I truly believe there is decent balance between equally geared, equally leveled players.

**Stilly** · 06-21-2012 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Majorin

The class damage is fine considering it is melee. The blade spells can be cleansed. Rift storm can be prevented and avoided a number of different ways. Honestly, it is not even a debate at this point. Need to move on. LOL. Look at warfront results and notice the healing it takes for a warrior to be competitive vs. a rogue or Mage. As a warrior you need to que with a pocket healer or can't do anything.

So yea. Warriors are fine. Just pay attention.

Agree in that there is much exaggerating of how OP warrior are. RS is a non-issue IMO. Short duration, not that much damage if wearing valor gear, etc. The bigger factor is PB/RW combo that increases the chance for decent mobility for warrior. On flip side, w/o that warrior can be easily kited/killed and largely a non-factor against range opponents, which all the other classes can effectively spec into.

I don't necessarily agree about not being able to do anything w/o pocket healer though. You will need to be more selective about your targets, when/where you engage, cannot just wade into a group, etc. Expect to inflict less damage, have lower kbs, more deaths, but often you can still contribute assuming go about it somewhat intelligently. Course, that applies to everyone.

**Aguni** · 06-21-2012 05:29 PM