The Rage against the Twinks

[Scioned]

As I said, if you don't like PvP at lvl 50, that's totally fine. I encourage you to go find some other MMO that suits your playstyle and that you enjoy. No one is forcing you to continue subscribing.

The same holds true in reverse.

If you don't want to pvp in low level brackets in the best possible gear, that's totally fine too. I encourage you to go find some other MMO that suits your playstyle and that you enjoy. No one is forcing you to continue subscribing.

Quite frankly, I don't think PvP should be a primary means of leveling so I have no compassion for the ones "just leveling through". PvP is for pew pewing. That is all.

[MitsuMarty]

Huh? You claim not to want to deal with gear disparity at level 50, but by twinking, you are creating the very same gear disparity between you and every other regular player who's just levelling through.

I'm just going to say that this discussion is pretty much moot. Trion has made their decision, based on the overall enjoyment and fairness of the majority of the playerbase, and the only way you will be able to continue to twink is if you use a Lite account, which incidentally, is also exactly what the twinks in WoW did to circumvent the alternate BGs (except they were called "vanilla" accounts there).

As I said, if you don't like PvP at lvl 50, that's totally fine. I encourage you to go find some other MMO that suits your playstyle and that you enjoy. No one is forcing you to continue subscribing.

Your doing nothing for your points other than talking about other games. This challenge has been made multiple times in multiple threads. Go out and show me this gear disparity that I have as a level 29 twink against some in my bracket that's not twinked. I will even post screenies of my gear and you tell me where this huge disparity is.
The difference in gear disparity between twinking and level 50 pvp is. If you want the gear that I have on my twink, it'll take you all of maybe a few hours to get almost my whole setup. If I want the gear you have on your R40 (just an example, I dont know if you have one or not) then I will have to grind for months. What seems more reasonable? When the end result of wanting to pvp is the same, and that's trying to kill your opponent.

[Nightfall]

One of the main reasons I came back to RIFT?



NO more twinking.......



Well done TRION...........

[Kyera]

And honestly, I'm not buying the whole "Most twinks are people who simply want to be one of the best." sales pitch. That might work on some kid who doesn't know any better, but from where most of us are sitting, that claim loses its credibility the moment they chose not to PvP at level 50. You want to be the best? Then play against the best, but you won't find them in the twink brackets.

Based on my experiences over the past six months or so, I'm not quite so sure the best are in the 50 bracket either.

[Mei]

Based on my experiences over the past six months or so, I'm not quite so sure the best are in the 50 bracket either.

The best are found on the forums, of course.

[Meina]

That is not "fact." What is fact is that when twinks were given their own separate BGs in WoW, hardly any of them chose to use them. Why? Because they weren't truly interested in a challenge blah blah blah...

Here we go with this tired old fallacy again.

Twinking was gutted long before they separated the queues in WoW. The separation was just the last straw.

Just for the sake of debate, though, if no one wanted competition please try to explain why ...


... people roll healing and support twinks?
... people create their own player run arenas?
... were there always posts on the forums about "We'll be on at X time and we're taking on all comers!" (i.e. people looking for twink vs twink battles)
... you very rarely hear anyone gloating about "Ahurk, I shur can rollz thoze noobs."? (and when you did see them other twinks would smack them down like the tools they were).
... did thousands of people (in some cases entire guilds) pay real life money to transfer to "twink designated" battlegroups so they could continue to fight other twinks after the separation?
... are there still active twink threads on the WoW forums?


Simply put, you're spouting rhetoric that plays to stereotypes. All of which has very little to do with the current state of twinking in that game.

I spent over a year playing with those people and very rarely were they interested in rolling over the competition. Almost all of them had the most fun when it came down to twink vs twink fights. Not to say that they were all angels. Just like any group we had our buttheads but the drivel people keep spouting about us "not wanting competition" and "you just want to roll noobs" is just that, drivel.

And, it's not much different in this game.

This is fact, based on my personal experience, not some crap I saw on the forums or my hurt feelings because someone steamrolled me in a WF.

Not to mention that, as has been pointed out a hundred times already, twinking in this game (if you can even call it that) is nothing like twinking is in WoW. The two do not even come close.

[Charlice]

That is not "fact." What is fact is that when twinks were given their own separate BGs in WoW, hardly any of them chose to use them. Why? Because they weren't truly interested in a challenge as you claim most of them are. If they were, they would have been using those alternate BGs that were setup just for them. Now you may be one of those who claim to want a challenge but would never bother queueing up in the alternate BGs against fellow twinks, or you may be one of the few exceptions that would, but the reality is very different from your perspective, my friend.

And honestly, I'm not buying the whole "Most twinks are people who simply want to be one of the best." sales pitch. That might work on some kid who doesn't know any better, but from where most of us are sitting, that claim loses its credibility the moment they chose not to PvP at level 50. You want to be the best? Then play against the best, but you won't find them in the twink brackets.

Sorry to state the obvious, but, this is NOT WoW. And this has been the downfall of what could of been, healthy lower level warfronts. Ex WoW players comparing apples to toad stools.

And my friend, you are so wrong. To start with, it would be impossible to have separate queue's for these so called twinks unless SOMEONE, ANYONE can enlighten me with exactly what a twink is.

But tbh, who really cares now? It's been stopped. Game over. Please though, do not complain EVER about being one shot in level 50 warfronts. If players don't have a clue by then, bad luck.

[Rymer]

Simply put, you're spouting rhetoric that plays to stereotypes. All of which has very little to do with the current state of twinking in that game.

"Current state" being the operative word. Just about everyone that I knew that was twinking quit doing so. Twink guilds shut down. Well known twinks running websites quit and left.

Were there some players remaining who were honestly interested in twink vs. twink fights? Yes. And who then jumped through some significant hoops to continue to do so? Definitely. But the "current state" is what was left after the twinks who just wanted easy wins (which was the vast majority of them) left.

Was twinking going downhill before exp-off BGs were introduced? Possibly. But my experience at the time was that folks I knew were all up excited about twinking or going into twinking -- right up to to when they got put into a separate queue.

[Ambivilent]

Twinking is not about "being on top" or "owning noobs before 50" its a formula to easily obtain favor and reputation so that people who turn off their xp can go into the 50s bracket with saved up gear, rep (and even in some cases titles).
This is the flaw.

[LOveRH]

Guys.

The bottom line is twinking is dead once 1.9 comes about. Get a tissue and get over it.

This thread should be closed.

[Sabryn]

Guys.

The bottom line is twinking is dead once 1.9 comes about. Get a tissue and get over it.

This thread should be closed.

+1

Instead let's stop QQ'ing and start discussing ways to improve PvP and warfronts (aside from nerf this buff that).

[Meina]

"Current state" being the operative word. Just about everyone that I knew that was twinking quit doing so. Twink guilds shut down. Well known twinks running websites quit and left.

Were there some players remaining who were honestly interested in twink vs. twink fights? Yes. And who then jumped through some significant hoops to continue to do so? Definitely. But the "current state" is what was left after the twinks who just wanted easy wins (which was the vast majority of them) left.

Was twinking going downhill before exp-off BGs were introduced? Possibly. But my experience at the time was that folks I knew were all up excited about twinking or going into twinking -- right up to to when they got put into a separate queue.

I'm not going to rehash the entire history of WoW twinking again because it has little to do with what is going on in this game.

What I will tell you is that at least half the people I knew that were twinking quit (or at best were playing them a lot less then they used to) before the separation was put in place, including myself.

The fact that there were so few twinks left when the separation kicked in, and the fact that those twinks were spread across multiple battlegroups and multiple brackets made getting XP-off queues off the ground all but impossible. This is what finally drove the nail in the twink coffin in WoW.

It was a series of changes that disenfranchised the twink players. It wasn't just the queue separation.

[Nsayn1]

One of the main reasons I came back to RIFT?



NO more twinking.......



Well done TRION...........

I am sure theyll keep your sub once ya get to 50eh? roflmao If you unsubbed b/c you couldnt level b/c of twinks then wtf are you gonna do at 50? If youre not level locking, not gearing **** of wfs they are the SLOWEST way to level.

I swear the amount of people that think they should be able to level by pvp without gearing themselves blows my mind. Have we really degenerated this much? I saw a level 29 guy hit level 30 in my warfront so i said dang i thought he was a twink. Inspected him he had a lvl 8 quest reward weapon equipped. So never upgraded his gear once he hit 10 and started his coattail ascent to 50. Why pvp if you put that little effort into the game?

Most of the people complaing about twinks don't have gear they could kill pve greens in. I have no compassion for them at all. Just raised a new cleric to the 29 bracket I pved til i hit 20. Mailed my cleric 5pp went to the ah spent about 2pp . Entered his 1st wf with 2pp worth of gear no enchants,pots witchstones etc. Topped kb charts at level 20 on my side with quite a few twinks on the other side. Could i kill the 29 twinks in my 2pp gear? No but i could sure kill all the crappy geared guys on the other side. The twinks go after twinks 1st for the most part. Having done that i watched to see how much exp I got for the loss. I said screw that and went pve'd to 29 where I level locked and now having fun in pvp.

Theres this feature called an auction house where players from around the world sell thier wares they dont want. Maybe you nubs should visit it sometime and not suck as bad. The real money equivalent to 100pp is now what $1.90 Plat is really that ez to get that china can sell it for that price wise up nubs Ive made over 10k plat in 3 weeks of heavy ah sales

[Trisian]

One of the main reasons I came back to RIFT?



NO more twinking.......



Well done TRION...........

Welcome back. It will be a shame to see you go when you hit 50.

[Kyera]

Guys.

The bottom line is twinking is dead once 1.9 comes about. Get a tissue and get over it.

This thread should be closed.

Oh, the irony. Maybe the thread would be closed if new people didn't keep flying in to run their mouths about twinks and a twinking bracket/system they know nothing about. Maybe people can devote their attention to teaching guildmates how to not die to Chillblains Winterfrost in xRotF instead of chestbeating about how twinking got nerfed and talking trash in these threads.