The Proactive PvP Thread

[Keota]

all in all this game cant offer the utility and skill level most players want to achive its a mechanic problem. no matter how much pvp content they pump out unless they fix the fact that players can run around with nothing but 2 macros on the action bar and still get top kbs people are going to split and this game will take a serious nose dive.

i love rift i don't play it much anymore because other games offer better content but if this game ever catches up and takes pvp serious you better bet ill be back on 7 days a week. no game compares to the soul system in this game its great. its just not enough to keep people online and paying subs /:

[Synergis]

My 2 cents on the twinking thing. Last i heard trion implemented this so that players wouldn't "out level" the area before they had a chance to quest it out. Why not place a cd on the lock thing. Example, said player reaches level 19 and decides to lock so they can "gear up" for the next zone. Once you decide to lock you have 1 or 2 weeks from the lock date to quest out the zone your in. Once the cd is up you lose your lock status for lvl 19 and anything will start giving you xp again. You can sit there and say what you want, but 1 or 2 weeks is more than enough time to quest out a zone, and staying any longer means that you have no intention of leveling up. Once you make it to level 29 same thing, lock for 1 or 2 weeks so you can gear up through the zone.

[Violacea]

Problems:

-Not fun for new players because of Twinks
-Not fun for new 50's
-No incentives for r40's to keep playing
-PvP community leaving the game
-No world PvP (being fixed with conquest)

Solutions:

-None so far

No game is fun for a new player unless you are a natural born pro. Day 1 on the ball-court your going to get smoked unless you are Jordan. Early stages of 50 you are going to get smoked, luckily you have to less rely on skill and more on putting in the effort to earn some gear. There is just no way to split player bases up into experienced and non. Games are based on progression/learning curves. The progression curve is fine and learning curve seems decent. It's fun if your goal is to hit top rank, no need to fix this. There is no such thing as a fix that makes a fresh 50 a boss.

I have incentive to keep playing, do you want the one that earns me stuff or the one that boils down to leisure time fun?

These aren't problems, they are you not liking the game disguised in the form of a tally list of game problems. Those are not game problems.

[Keota]

My 2 cents on the twinking thing. Last i heard trion implemented this so that players wouldn't "out level" the area before they had a chance to quest it out. Why not place a cd on the lock thing. Example, said player reaches level 19 and decides to lock so they can "gear up" for the next zone. Once you decide to lock you have 1 or 2 weeks from the lock date to quest out the zone your in. Once the cd is up you lose your lock status for lvl 19 and anything will start giving you xp again. You can sit there and say what you want, but 1 or 2 weeks is more than enough time to quest out a zone, and staying any longer means that you have no intention of leveling up. Once you make it to level 29 same thing, lock for 1 or 2 weeks so you can gear up through the zone.

people pay subs JUST to twink because 50 pvp is so terrible. even the best players i know only twink to troll. besides that they play more serious pvp in other games.
trion knows this. they will never do away with twinks because they will lose to many subs over it.

[Violacea]

I don't get the twink hate. Level locked was loved and encouraged in Eq2 BG's and kept the lower brackets alive. If you love pvp, lock and join them. If you aren't into lower level pvp, you'll be sending the twinks post-cards from the next bracket soon.

PvP is fine here really, it's MMO pvp.

Also, the forums where twinks only exist on the enemy side. I'm going to tally it up until I start 10 separate threads glorifying twinks for helping me win games and how much I LOOOOVE XP locking.

[Synergis]

people pay subs JUST to twink because 50 pvp is so terrible. even the best players i know only twink to troll. besides that they play more serious pvp in other games.
trion knows this. they will never do away with twinks because they will lose to many subs over it.

If trion cared about pvp subs they wouldn't have done alot of the things they've done already. From my personal point of view they've already lost many subs over it.

[Mei]

I got banned last time I suggested PvP content.

[Synergis]

Dungeons and raid posts, 88k.
Pvp and Warfront post, 277k and growing fast.
There's a reason.

[Appendy]

No one is asking for gear skill

Oh?

-Need favor and prestige for valor gear

You have to PvP to get PvP gear. Yes, you're going to die a lot when you first start out. Guess what? You still get favor and prestige even if you lose. That being said, ranking up in PvP is fine. It's been reworked. It's easier than ever to get geared up. It is not hard. A grind? Yes. Welcome to MMOs.

it has everything to do with trion. maybe not directly but they are the root of the problem since they are the ones who created this game. If the player is having a good time they want to hear about it, when a player is like "uhh this game is not up to par with other pvp games" they don't want to hear about it. or how to improve it.

Like I said before, they have already adjusted valor/vengeance, stat bolstering, ranked matches, and gear grinding to make it easier for people to get into PvP. Maybe it's your shard, your battlegroup, or you haven't figured out a good PvP roll. That's not Trion's fault. Why do you think they'd rush to put out more content if the people who are too lazy to gear up are going to break the forums with QQing? If anything, Trions probably wasted more time adjusting PvP for the QQ'rs instead of catering to those of us who mastered a PvP role and did the grind.

Look at the forums. Right now most of it's all about twinks, people who don't like dying, and people who don't like being mercenaries.

[Ajax1114]

They already fixed this ages ago. Valor/vengeance tweaks, bolstering, ranked matches. If you think it's not fun now, you should have played it before those changes. From what I see, the 50s not having any fun are the ones in quest gear with empty slots and half-assed core (same as the ones who complain about twinks).

Still an undeniable gap though, and a large one at that. The tweaks were nice, but they haven't solved the problem completely - only lessened the pain a little.

How much do you want to bet that some of the people twinking now are disgruntled 50s who didn't want to spend a couple of months getting stomped to hit max rank?

[Fryday]

With how popular structured pvp is going to be in GW2, I would not be surprised if trion did something similar. But maybe that's Area-net's niche.

[Trisian]

My 2 cents on the twinking thing. Last i heard trion implemented this so that players wouldn't "out level" the area before they had a chance to quest it out. Why not place a cd on the lock thing. Example, said player reaches level 19 and decides to lock so they can "gear up" for the next zone. Once you decide to lock you have 1 or 2 weeks from the lock date to quest out the zone your in. Once the cd is up you lose your lock status for lvl 19 and anything will start giving you xp again. You can sit there and say what you want, but 1 or 2 weeks is more than enough time to quest out a zone, and staying any longer means that you have no intention of leveling up. Once you make it to level 29 same thing, lock for 1 or 2 weeks so you can gear up through the zone.

I could totally get behind this.

[tevikolady]

Still an undeniable gap though, and a large one at that. The tweaks were nice, but they haven't solved the problem completely - only lessened the pain a little.

How much do you want to bet that some of the people twinking now are disgruntled 50s who didn't want to spend a couple of months getting stomped to hit max rank?

Where is this gap. I keep asking and noone can answer.

The obvious answer is there is no gear gap. The only gap lies in the fact that people are missing armor and have outdated armor in their slots. This is the only gap that exists. If you dont' believe me, do what Kyera did and /inspect some of yoeu teammates in low level warfronts.

[Charlice]

Still an undeniable gap though, and a large one at that. The tweaks were nice, but they haven't solved the problem completely - only lessened the pain a little.

How much do you want to bet that some of the people twinking now are disgruntled 50s who didn't want to spend a couple of months getting stomped to hit max rank?

This disgruntled 50, has two toons at max rank. If players are scared of their pixels dying and some sadly seem to be, this is where you will find the greatest gear disparity. + hit and focus anyone?

Oh hey, can we call raid geared 50's twinks too, and chase them away from the game as well?

Players crapping on about twinks in lower level warfronts is laughable. Next these same players will be complaining about players with gear in every slot, oh wait, sorry, same thing.

Put gear in all your slots. It's not rocket science. If you claim you're getting stomped by twinks, show us what you're wearing. Also please explain, in detail, how you come to the conclusion someone is a twink. Is it because they have a 9 in their level?

Just another whiney pathetic thread.

[Charlice]

To add to my above rant, players that zone in at lvl 10 and 11 might like to factor in they have a 7-8 level disadvantage. You never hear that talked about. So much easier to cry 'loltwink'.

Back to EQ2. Apart from having PvP gear available in EVERY tier, in matches in brackets 10-19, 20-29,30-39 etc etc all the way to 89, players are mentored down to 10,20,30 etc etc.

So at least every player is the same level, and, if they've bothered to gear for the occasion, are competitive.

That may something that could be done in Rift. 6,7,8 levels is a lot. And then sometimes ya know, you just get smashed by BETTER players. Trust me though, you will not die in real life, by dying in a video game.