Campaign against exp lock in Warfronts

[Charlice]

It's a ploy to kill PvP. I've said this before but they're essentially taking the 'Greg Street' approach - Make it so ridiculously bad, make it such a dull and boring experience that the player base walks away. And frankly it is, I personally just yaaaaaaawn when I join a WF and see 'that idiot' on my team or the opposing team....It's like well no need to play this round, were already gonna win/lose...

I've started thread after thread addressing this issue but it essentially boils down the same idea 'PvP is being driven into the ground' end of the story. So will there be a fix for the Twinks? No. The Twinks are essentially being used to 'phase out' PvP.

And there's the fair weather attitude, that will guarantee, you'll lose every time.

As for the over gearing. Loolz. My so called twink is wearing nothing more than player made gear, and world event stuff. OMG OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
No she does not have the faction runes, or purple augments.

Also please advise how you can possibly know what someone on the opposite team is wearing, without inspecting them. Is everyone with a 9 in their level a twink now? Or are twinks anyone that kill you in warfronts?

Please, just stay out of warfronts.

[Valfador]

I don't understand how you can post a screeny like that and say what you say

Do explain your oh so witty post.
a level 26 doing 50k more damage than someone on the second spot? Must be a gear issue!
Or maybe the point of those screens is that for all the whine about "gear difference" it's all based on people playing badly. REALLY badly.
let's say a game takes... 10 minutes ish.
that 60k damage all of a sudden turned into a 100 dps. Divide that by 4 and you got an amazing number of damage from #2... right?

Not sure if you know this or not but....once you cast your foraging/mining buffs, you don't really ever have to recast them.

Is that the butchering icon I see as well? Just wondering.

So... nothing constructive to say regarding this topic, so you start chewing on skill icons on a hot bar?
Yup, they were placed there when i learned the skills. Didn't really find the need to get rid of them. Or are you saying this game has any spec that magically need 20 buttons to work? ....
Keep to the topic, sidetracking means your just out of ideas.

[Zaros]

Do explain your oh so witty post.
a level 26 doing 50k more damage than someone on the second spot? Must be a gear issue!
Or maybe the point of those screens is that for all the whine about "gear difference" it's all based on people playing badly. REALLY badly.
let's say a game takes... 10 minutes ish.
that 60k damage all of a sudden turned into a 100 dps. Divide that by 4 and you got an amazing number of damage from #2... right?

Lol, wow.. Someone got defensive really fast.

All I'm saying is, if you can score 30 KBs and have the person below you be at 5 in a match where you accounted for roughly 45% of your teams kills and did roughly 600% more damage than the next person below you, when you're not even at the level cap, there's probably a slight gear advantage.

[Stanley Pain]

Twinking (IE, people who gear their character well) in the lower level brackets is no different than "twinking" your character at level 50. The concept is the same. You get BiS gear for your current level/rank. Don't know why some of you are having such a hard time comprehending this.

When you join a warfront and someone really well geared does 800k damage more than some other DPS class, are you going to whine and complain that they're a twink and OMG RUINING YOUR PVP IMMERSION!?

[Hugatree]

And there's the fair weather attitude, that will guarantee, you'll lose every time.

As for the over gearing. Loolz. My so called twink is wearing nothing more than player made gear, and world event stuff. OMG OUTRAGEOUS!!!!
No she does not have the faction runes, or purple augments.
Please, just stay out of warfronts.

Oh sweetie then you're not a twink...You're just someone that chose to level lock....Try to keep up - Twink implies gear not level locking....I know you're my special little person so I don't mind correcting the blatant deficiencies in your logic occasionally.Twinks are gear hogs, that obsess over the best items in their slot for their bracket. I know I was one of the most notorious Twinks in WoW.

Twinks are over geared, best in slot for their bracket and level locked. They have gear that the typical player isn't going to exert time obtaining due to the focus on leveling. And through personal research I've concluded for a new player to come in and collect gear to be competitive they would typically out level the bracket anyhow.So I have to refute the 'it's lol easy' to gear argument, at least for newer players.

So let's be clear, level locking is a symptom of Twinking, although you can level lock and not be a twink.



They way you're explaining yourself sounds a lot like you don't get what a Twink is. Level locking in crap gear is one thing, but level locking in the best gear obtainable is another altogether.

Side Note: Can someone get Charli a HUG! He seriously needs one.

And yes, I do believe the Trion is trying to kill PvP, not their game but the PvP aspect. I've seen this occur before and frankly the actions being taken smack of an attempt to tank the PvP aspect of this game.

[Stanley Pain]

And yes, I do believe the Trion is trying to kill PvP, not their game but the PvP aspect. I've seen this occur before and frankly the actions being taken smack of an attempt to tank the PvP aspect of this game.

If you think a company whose finances rely on active players would actively promote "getting rid of people" by making an aspect of their game unappealing you're insane. That's all there is to that. If this were an EA title I might be more inclined to agree with you.

[Hugatree]

If you think a company whose finances rely on active players would actively promote "getting rid of people" by making an aspect of their game unappealing you're insane. That's all there is to that. If this were an EA title I might be more inclined to agree with you.

LOL @ the EA bit...No sadly In the past I've found that the games that successfully tanked PvP realized that they had bitten off more than they could chew. I may sound like I'm doom crying but at the end of the day, the fastest and most efficient way to tank this particular aspect of gaming is to create an imbalance in the player base.

Note that the greater issues with PvP rely on the argument of balance and which class is/ is not over powered as of 'insert number here' patch. Rather than trying to refine PvP it's infinitely easier to create an imbalance that effectively destroys the interest in PvP.

[Zaros]

LOL @ the EA bit...No sadly In the past I've found that the games that successfully tanked PvP realized that they had bitten off more than they could chew. I may sound like I'm doom crying but at the end of the day, the fastest and most efficient way to tank this particular aspect of gaming is to create an imbalance in the player base.

Note that the greater issues with PvP rely on the argument of balance and which class is/ is not over powered as of 'insert number here' patch. Rather than trying to refine PvP it's infinitely easier to create an imbalance that effectively destroys the interest in PvP.

If Trion was trying to tank PvP, they wouldn't be releasing new PvP content.
While I agree that Trion has been fairly sparse when it comes to the PvP department, I wouldn't say that they're deliberately trying to hemorrhage players by making PvP bad.

[Charlice]

Oh sweetie then you're not a twink...You're just someone that chose to level lock....Try to keep up - Twink implies gear not level locking....I know you're my special little person so I don't mind correcting the blatant deficiencies in your logic occasionally.Twinks are gear hogs, that obsess over the best items in their slot for their bracket. I know I was one of the most notorious Twinks in WoW.

Twinks are over geared, best in slot for their bracket and level locked. They have gear that the typical player isn't going to exert time obtaining due to the focus on leveling. And through personal research I've concluded for a new player to come in and collect gear to be competitive they would typically out level the bracket anyhow.So I have to refute the 'it's lol easy' to gear argument, at least for newer players.

So let's be clear, level locking is a symptom of Twinking, although you can level lock and not be a twink.



They way you're explaining yourself sounds a lot like you don't get what a Twink is. Level locking in crap gear is one thing, but level locking in the best gear obtainable is another altogether.

Side Note: Can someone get Charli a HUG! He seriously needs one.

And yes, I do believe the Trion is trying to kill PvP, not their game but the PvP aspect. I've seen this occur before and frankly the actions being taken smack of an attempt to tank the PvP aspect of this game.

You're a patronising **** aren't you. A large proportion of so called twinks, have nothing more than what I wear. Don't bother trying to fill me in on what a 'lol twink' is. It's the whiney cry babies you need to let know.

Please name ANY gear that is not easily obtained by ANYONE in Rift. Ok.. GO!

[Kyera]

Oh sweetie then you're not a twink...You're just someone that chose to level lock....Try to keep up - Twink implies gear not level locking....I know you're my special little person so I don't mind correcting the blatant deficiencies in your logic occasionally.Twinks are gear hogs, that obsess over the best items in their slot for their bracket. I know I was one of the most notorious Twinks in WoW.

Twinks are over geared, best in slot for their bracket and level locked. They have gear that the typical player isn't going to exert time obtaining due to the focus on leveling. And through personal research I've concluded for a new player to come in and collect gear to be competitive they would typically out level the bracket anyhow.So I have to refute the 'it's lol easy' to gear argument, at least for newer players.

So let's be clear, level locking is a symptom of Twinking, although you can level lock and not be a twink.

Uh, for the most part, crafted gear plus world event gear, when augmented and properly runed, is best in slot for the bracket. Unless there's something I'm omitting, in which case I guess I'm also not a twink, and none of the people in comparable gear I fight are twinks -- they're just level locked. There are a handful of exceptions to this rule -- grandfathered runes, dungeon drops, et cetera -- but some of those are in fact obtainable through the course of 'normal' play. The SP-on-heal hammer from RotF that made my Inquisitor maul faces is just the dungeon quest first-time-clear drop, for example.

Adorable attempt at being patronizing, though.

[Jeremiahcp]

Twinks are paying customers too. So please don't bring that into it.

What are you calling a twink? Someone with gear in every slot?

Funnily enough most 'loltwinks' have level 50 toons at max rank. More often than not you are not beat by their gear, but their PvP experience.

Sure, there's a number of twinks that went all out, and as far as even I'm concerned cheated, but not all.
Trion have made some changes to what can be equipped now and I'm sure they'll continue to tweak 'stuff'.

Put gear in ALL your slots and learn your class. Also realise that if a stop is put to lvl locking in warfronts, you can say goodbye to fast queue times, for any bracket under 50.

"More often than not you are not beat by their gear, but their PvP experience."

If that is the case, then none of these "skilled" players should have any objections to having a more even fight gear-wise in the pre-50 brackets. They will still dominate and the newbies will not feel cheated.

I have a max rank toon, but I think you know that. I have two other low rank 50 toons, a level 44 toon, a level 33 toon and a level 28 toon. I have even messed around with twinking. I am a long term PvP player in this game, constantly at many different stages of the PvP leveling and ranking path with multiple toons.

The gear disparity for pre 50 PvP, between a twink vs a non-twink is too great.The advantage these twinks have is, without a doubt, not skill, it is gear. This gear disparity is much worst then the level 50 PvP. The best thing, at this point, is to bring fair game play to the pre-50 brackets. I am all for level capping with in the WFs, but something needs to be done about this.

There is no reason to advocate for the current state of twinks other then selfishness.

[tevikolady]

"More often than not you are not beat by their gear, but their PvP experience."

If that is the case, then none of these "skilled" players should have any objections to having a more even fight gear-wise in the pre-50 brackets. They will still dominate and the newbies will not feel cheated.

I have a max rank toon, but I think you know that. I have two other low rank 50 toons, a level 44 toon, a level 33 toon and a level 28 toon. I have even messed around with twinking. I am a long term PvP player in this game, constantly at many different stages of the PvP leveling and ranking path with multiple toons.

The gear disparity for pre 50 PvP, between a twink vs a non-twink is too great.The advantage these twinks have is, without a doubt, not skill, it is gear. This gear disparity is much worst then the level 50 PvP. The best thing, at this point, is to bring fair game play to the pre-50 brackets. I am all for level capping with in the WFs, but something needs to be done about this.

There is no reason to advocate for the current state of twinks other then selfishness.

Ok, so next, let's all hold hands and demand that all PvE content be scaled down so even that fresh level 50 still has only half his armor slots filled be able to jump right on in the best raids on teh server! Because we all know its so unfair that such restrictions on high end content is so unfair. OMG I can't believe you force FORCE gear based requirments on people. After all, its only really about skill....

THE AUDACITY! DEV's, you must nerf this now! How dare you have gear in an MMO. What is wrong with you? HOw dare you make it so that those who put effort into their gear be better than others. THat's is just wrong *valley girl snap*

[Misun]

So... nothing constructive to say regarding this topic, so you start chewing on skill icons on a hot bar?
Yup, they were placed there when i learned the skills. Didn't really find the need to get rid of them.

Oooookay?

I'm confused as to why you have harvesting buffs in your hotbar, you reply that you didn't feel the need to get rid of them.

So..I'm guessing you don't feel the need to put gear in every slot and make sure you have a sigil/essences?

Whatever

[Misun]

*valley girl snap*

You go girl!

[Kyera]

"More often than not you are not beat by their gear, but their PvP experience."

If that is the case, then none of these "skilled" players should have any objections to having a more even fight gear-wise in the pre-50 brackets. They will still dominate and the newbies will not feel cheated.

I think there are a number of us that have no objection to that being a thing.

This gear disparity is much worst then the level 50 PvP.

On this front, I have to disagree. A fresh 50, queueing up at 50 with the same relative mentality, attitude, and gear loadout as the fresh 10 queuing at 10, is going to get absolutely trashed by people with high end PvP and/or PvE gear, unless they get saved by the imperfect magic of the 'ranked warfront' -- where they may still get worked, if they're queuing up with out-leveled gear and/or empty slots.

I used to be a strong advocate of the "gear doesn't matter" camp, until Trion really started to make it matter with itemization + the implementation of PvP faction loot (essences + crystals) and PvP PA. The gear gap is far more massive in the end game -- the gulf in dps and survivability through trinkets, essences, set bonuses, valor, and top tier runes is far in excess of the 10-19 twinking gap (which is in merely offensive stats as a result of Flawless augments, as nearly every other 'twink' option is affordable and accessible), which is where the greatest "twinking" disparity occurs (imo!).