TRIOn 3 weeks now mages top charts.

[Flashmemory]

Don't listen to the forum pvp. Look at the leader boards. Warriors are doing the most poorly of all the classes.

[Baramos]

Don't listen to the forum pvp. Look at the leader boards. Warriors are doing the most poorly of all the classes.

/played has no class.

[Flashmemory]

/played has no class.

This is a stupid excuse..warriors are usually in the bottom and mages have sometimes 30% more points of warriors. Even if you eliminate the top 2 of each class for the sake of /played the discrepancy is more noticeable. Mages already on my cluster using ID weps in warfronts.

Warriors need survival buffs as soon as possible. Blue bars are way too powerful. It is usually mage then cleric then rogue then warriors..On the leaderboards. This is over 3 week trend of top 50. Most of the people complaining about warriors were right after the patch before they adapted..warriors need some serious survival buffs. Cleric deal too much damage and receive too much self healing in icar specs. Same with mage xx/doms. Warrior don't have any survival like those classes and the dps drops immensely when they hybrid..to the point of laughable damage compare to icar xx/doms andxx/rs. RS is also allowing for superior damage and mobility with shields. Warriors do not get these things even if hybrid... warrior need some survival in pure dps specs to compete. I already predicted this before the patch went live.


They can't play well unless they premade. The top warrior only premades with cleric friend for healing. He does like 30% worse than the top rogues/mages and his cleric friend is top 5 healer. This means he needs a dedicated healer just to compete for number 1. No other class needs that. Warriors need buffs.

Also the way it is you can see wins for the week. They usually play the same time but mage/clerics usually win more than the other classes..all the time.

[Flashmemory]

This also means other classes earn more exp, more gold, more favor, than warriors. Warriors in the worse to rank up at fresh 50 and is overall the worse pvp calling at the moment. Progression through pvp as a warrior is slow and worthless...no point doing it unless you have a dedicated healer and even that is gimping your team since clerics can deal more damage and healing at the same time than warriors.

[VHawk]

ROFL @ warriors need buff
I must've mysteriously ported to an alternate forum universe.

[Misun]

since clerics can deal more damage and healing at the same time than warriors.

What? You do realize that a "real" healing cleric has to give up all of their ability to do any damage, in order to heal?

I have 3 damaging spells in my hot bar.

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability.html?...ity=1843227230

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability/273324667/Waterjet

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability.html?...ity=1879993278

I have one form of knockback.

http://rift.zam.com/en/ability/1821949601/Crushing-Wave

So, please explain how a cleric can be a healer and do as much damage as a warrior?

[Misun]

ROFL @ warriors need buff
I must've mysteriously ported to an alternate forum universe.

lol no kidding!

[Puzzlebox]

This also means other classes earn more exp, more gold, more favor, than warriors. Warriors in the worse to rank up at fresh 50 and is overall the worse pvp calling at the moment. Progression through pvp as a warrior is slow and worthless...no point doing it unless you have a dedicated healer and even that is gimping your team since clerics can deal more damage and healing at the same time than warriors.

Do you know what happens when a handful of equally geared warriors go against equally geared mages with relatively adequate healing on both sides?

The warriors smash the blue bars.

You could bump up mage damage by 15% and I'd still prefer Warriors as they are now by their sheer ability to control the front-line, push points of contention, and keep the casters on their heels.

I swap between my mage and my warrior back and forth. PvP as a mage feels like a completely different game. Constantly aware of my positioning, constantly aware of being near trees/pillars close by to LoS. Constantly trying to find low-valor targets to quickly gib and help assist high-valor targets that someone else is attacking.

With my warrior? I hold down 'W' spamming 1 until I'm staring at their spawn.

[Queezy]

Do you know what happens when a handful of equally geared warriors go against equally geared mages with relatively adequate healing on both sides?

The warriors smash the blue bars.

You could bump up mage damage by 15% and I'd still prefer Warriors as they are now by their sheer ability to control the front-line, push points of contention, and keep the casters on their heels.

I swap between my mage and my warrior back and forth. PvP as a mage feels like a completely different game. Constantly aware of my positioning, constantly aware of being near trees/pillars close by to LoS. Constantly trying to find low-valor targets to quickly gib and help assist high-valor targets that someone else is attacking.

With my warrior? I hold down 'W' spamming 1 until I'm staring at their spawn.

Nerf Wars!!!!


but really nobody really understands how annoying a mage is to play until they actually play it. And i dont mean lvling or being a fresh 50 i mean getting rank 40 and actually trying to do well. I wouldnt say its hard but it sure is alot more complex then playing a rogue or warrior. On my rogue i can just easily run away when it looks like im going to die, Warrior well you already explained that and im sure every good war knows, my war is only rank 5 and i know how simple it is. Mages have to play Preemptively, you have to already have your escape plan ready before the it gets real. And even still most of the time that doesnt even work lol.

Just the other day I did a PS where the oposing team had like 15 wars with one healer. We had like 5 healers and they would just run to the bridge in the group of 15+ with no heals and still kill at least two people and taking another down to 50% with 0 help. Show me a mage doing that.

[Caution]

Mages have good skills to finish off low health players and have good aoe damage like natures fury which does damage but if you use it you will see how little effect it has. Both of these things are most of the time useless and give out a false reflection of the current state of mages...mages are getting absoutely demolished by every other class currently, they are by far the weakest and havent been updated to match other classes buffs over the last few patches, mages were also hit by far the hardest with cc being broken (broke more than half our souls) and have ridiculously bad survivibility vs these godly warriors and rogues.

[Costs]

Mages have good skills to finish off low health players and have good aoe damage. Both of these things are most of the time useless and give out a false reflection of the current state of mages...mages are getting absoutely demolished by every other class currently, they are by far the weakest and havent been updated to match other classes buffs over the last few patches.

Yikes, I agree except that it's Clerics who are currently the weakest.

Our main heal soul was nerfed to the ground, and our dps cannot spike like your pyros. Add on top of that, we don't have the CC's/escapes a mage has.

I know both of our classes are in bad shape atm, but clerics are definitely the class that is SOL ... mages at least have pyrodom or pyrochloro.

[Misun]

they are by far the weakest

I agree with nearly everything you are saying except for this. My bard is pretty gimp. That role needs some serious attention.

However, I'm not sure why this guy is screaming about the leaderboards. Leaderboards= time played and that's it.

[Valarion]

Do you know what happens when a handful of equally geared warriors go against equally geared mages with relatively adequate healing on both sides?

The warriors smash the blue bars.

You could bump up mage damage by 15% and I'd still prefer Warriors as they are now by their sheer ability to control the front-line, push points of contention, and keep the casters on their heels.

I swap between my mage and my warrior back and forth. PvP as a mage feels like a completely different game. Constantly aware of my positioning, constantly aware of being near trees/pillars close by to LoS. Constantly trying to find low-valor targets to quickly gib and help assist high-valor targets that someone else is attacking.

With my warrior? I hold down 'W' spamming 1 until I'm staring at their spawn.

Please dont bait the forums trolls, you are gonna wake them up.

[Zaiana]

Firstly I think warriors are the best class in PVP when the heals are good on an equally skilled team.

The major frustration are a warrior is being so ultra dependant on your team though, as a mage you have the range to play more selfishly and escape when things go south (which is guaranteed to happen every now and then if their team is better then you). If you play right, you can generally avoid dying and get kills as a skilled mage in a skilless team (which definitely helps topping leaderboards). As a skilled warrior in a skilless team you are vastly inferior to a mage if you try to be a fringe player and if you try to actually be effective and do some damage to people who are in groups you'll just fall over due to focus fire.

TLDR: I imagine mage is a much more satisfying class to play in PVP, and less of a victim of the RNG of a bad team purely when it comes to leaderboards and K/D.

[Jack Burton]

Don't listen to the forum pvp. Look at the leader boards. Warriors are doing the most poorly of all the classes.

lol. The what-boards?

I'm a trifle deaf in this ear. You will have to speak a bit louder next time.