from what i read their placing their money on new subs over retaining, they raised millions to expand to chinaOriginally Posted by Meina
also, using boredom with 50s pvp as an excuse to twink is like stating you can't turn the tv cus the remote dropped 2 feet in front of your chair
get up & go find it, you have free transfers you can get with the best players & make your own tournaments
Opening new markets is a good thing too, but i wish them luck with China. Not only is everything super controlled over there, but, due to their economy and the way sub fees are usually set up, the average Asian subscriber pays about $5 or less a month.
I must be tired because that analogy makes absolutely no sense to me. All I can tell you is that During late Burning Crusades in WoW (the heyday of WoW twinking), people started looking at twinking as the new end game because so many people had become bored with the rest of the game. I know for a fact that deciding to twink some toons saved WoW from losing at least 10 subs in my guild. Many others that I used to play with regularly felt the same way. I honestly believe that this is why they clamoed down on twinking like they did. They wanted to push these people back into end game PvP, which was pretty much floundering (as much as a 10 Million+ player game could flounder) at the time.also, using boredom with 50s pvp as an excuse to twink is like stating you can't turn the tv cus the remote dropped 2 feet in front of your chair
i don't remember boredom with pvp being a reason for any of my wow friends twinking, it was more of us wanting to play other classes & not max level them
you can make a twink in a day or so compared to how long it took to level back then
the laziness factor i put in here was cus we have free transfers & can speak to the opp faction w/o scrambled languages, that should make it very easy to set up competitions
guess i've always put the burden of finding pvp on myself, spent plenty of time outside main cities taunting the opp faction it's not hard
I've always felt that people should take things into their own hands a lot more than they do. I've always said that the people sitting around lamenting the lack of WPvP should get off their butts and go stir things up. I also thought Amon had a great idea when he started organizing his own arena matches.
The problem we had during late BC was that, between the "You must arena!!" attitude and how restrictive the gearing system was, the fact that we had run most of the raids a bazillion times, several of us weren't what you'd call "die hard" PvP'ers (or were already max geared) and most of us had been playing since shortly after launch (4 year and counting) we were getting pret-ty bored with the game.
Twinking gave us a chance to try something different, try out new classes without having regrind for end game and, basically, have a lot of laughs with our friends and the other people who were twinking at the time (we had an amazingly tight knit twink community going). It was like heading to the playground after a hard days work.
isn't that what i said? :/
anyway, yeah i played it for 4 yrs & pvp never died for me, i still play it, just took a break to level on here with someone
Yes you did. I was merely pointing out that there was more to it for us than just that.
It never truly died for me either. I, as did many of us, continued with end game PvP, only I wasn't anywhere near as focused on it as I once was. In fact, I think twinking revitalized our interest in end game for a lot of us. People who were not originally PvP minded ended up enjoying themselves and they gave end game PvP a shot. Those of us who were more focused on PvP had out little set of action figures for when we got burnt out on / frustrated with end game and, in general, being able to romp around on our nightyi-mites anytime we wanted breathed a bit of new life into the game.anyway, yeah i played it for 4 yrs & pvp never died for me, i still play it, just took a break to level on here with someone
Naturally, I only speak of my experiences and what I had heard from the people around me.
I just got through reading this entire thread and some interesting points made on both sides of the argument. I think what caught my attention from the anti-twink camp is the heal scaling vs. dps problem. I don't know if its true but its worth some testing.
On principle, I like the xp-lock. You can get the best gear without locking your xp, but you have to have a 50 already to voucher the currency and planarite needed. Perhaps that gear should be more accessible. I remember levelling my first toon and despite working at it, I could never afford to get more than 1-2 good pieces for any bracket. By the time you get it, its obsolete. I certainly could never get the planarite to buy the essences. I wondered how anyone could. I later levelled another toon and easily bought the BiS items with vouchered currency from my level 50.
I was very worried about new level 50s doing PvP against rank 8s with the old valor disparities and Trion came through with a nice fix. I was impressed. One offered solution to this probelm: Put decent low level pvp gear on its own currency and give a nice boost to rewards for low levels. Maybe planarite could be broken down into shards that buy the low level stuff. Reasonable effort might result in satisfying gear for everyone, and nobody could really complain about "twinks" at that point. Low levels just earn too litttle planarite. There will still be those who wish to put minimal efffort into gear, but they should not be expecting much and should level to 50 fast.
Last edited by Bannj; 03-08-2012 at 06:01 AM. Reason: grammar
Not a bad idea. I'd like to add that I recently hit 50 again and PvP at 50 was far less painful than it was in the 40s. Twinks were literally running around insta-killing people for the whole bracket. Obviously I didn't PvP all that much in the 40s as there was no point.
That's pretty bad. There is no reason this should be allowed. It accomplishes nothing and ruins the game for everyone.
At the very least favor should be disabled so people stop camping at 49. You should never be rewarded for taking advantage of people. Turning off experience makes zero sense anyways...
Last edited by dooby; 03-08-2012 at 07:28 AM.
The dynamic of healing changes because of the burst but healers still a welcome addition to any warfront.
You don't need to mail vouchers from a main. Every rare planar goods vendor now sells planarite containers bought with the epic planar currency associated with that zone that converts to a reasonable amount of planarite. Since even modest participation in a zone event is pretty much guaranteed now to give you at least one piece of epic currency, it's not hard to fund the planar gear without a high level main to ship over vouchers.On principle, I like the xp-lock. You can get the best gear without locking your xp, but you have to have a 50 already to voucher the currency and planarite needed. Perhaps that gear should be more accessible. I remember levelling my first toon and despite working at it, I could never afford to get more than 1-2 good pieces for any bracket. By the time you get it, its obsolete. I certainly could never get the planarite to buy the essences. I wondered how anyone could. I later levelled another toon and easily bought the BiS items with vouchered currency from my level 50.
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I think it would be easier to just put the people taking advantage in their own bracket.
Letting them abuse the system simply ruins leveling up in warfronts.
Last edited by dooby; 03-08-2012 at 07:36 AM.
Yo dawg we heard you like brackets.....
Thats the bads solution for everything. Put (insert one of following -> Premades, Twinks, rank one, rank two, rank 3, etc ) in their own brackets.
Soon we will have so many brackets that you will advance from bracket to bracket hourly.
We put some brackets in your brackets so you can bracket while you bracket.
Last edited by Wargawd; 03-08-2012 at 12:32 PM.
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why would a premade bracket be bad, isn't that what they want & have been asking for?
i think that would make some competitive guilds very happy
twinks def need there own bracket, as do r40s
but for low rank 50s it's best to check populations & play when most shards on your cluster are med/high if you want to face less r40s & get better ranked wfs: http://www.riftgame.com/en/shardstatus/
if you play when populations are low you're going to get thrown into unranked wfs
Last edited by Sykk; 03-08-2012 at 01:10 PM.
Creating their own bracket may not be realistic, queue times are slow enough as it is at certain times of the day.
How about bolstering for sub-50 warfronts? I.e. valor and health, or something else? Would help from getting one/two-shot constantly. Hard to get around DPS without the gear and consumables...
I'm just glad my last alt is near 50, past few weeks has not been fun in warfronts.
How is gearing up, in content that is available to EVERYONE, taking advantage?
I mean come on, why do people expect to do well in warfronts, in any bracket, in greens and empty slots?
Doesn't work at 50. Why should it work at lower levels?
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Trion has said (or so I've heard) that they will be looking at damage output in low level PvP. Just don't expect any miracles right away. I expect that this is going to take a fair amount of tweaking and a bit more than creating an xx% damage reduction across the board or increasing survivability across the board. Just reducing damage output or increasing survivability will only shift the complaints from "They killed me in 2 shots" to "We need a Howitzer to take these mofos down!!"
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