Get rid of twinks

[Tarien]

if it werent were xp lock, i wouldnt be playing this game right now.

I bet there are a lot more players put off PvP or the game entirely by XP locked twinked players than we'd lose by removing it. PvP players are that vocal minority that threaten and posture but in the end do nothing but learn to live with it when the needed changes are made and their favourite exploit is gone.

[kaspurtz]

I bet there are a lot more players put off PvP or the game entirely by XP locked twinked players than we'd lose by removing it. PvP players are that vocal minority that threaten and posture but in the end do nothing but learn to live with it when the needed changes are made and their favourite exploit is gone.

I'm not threatening anything. I'm telling you. If XP lock wasn't here right now, i would be playing a different game because there is nothing to do on my main.

[Tarien]

I'm not threatening anything. I'm telling you. If XP lock wasn't here right now, i would be playing a different game because there is nothing to do on my main.

My point still stands.

Also, kinda doubt it would be another MMO, what with Rift having the busiest update schedule and the most things to do at endgame, anywhere else you'd have less to do, imo

[kaspurtz]

My point still stands.

Also, kinda doubt it would be another MMO, what with Rift having the busiest update schedule and the most things to do at endgame, anywhere else you'd have less to do, imo

your point? your point is unclear. And no it wouldnt be another mmo, because luckily for RIFT, GW2 and Tera isnt out yet.

[Meina]

I bet there are a lot more players put off PvP or the game entirely by XP locked twinked players than we'd lose by removing it. PvP players are that vocal minority that threaten and posture but in the end do nothing but learn to live with it when the needed changes are made and their favourite exploit is gone.

You'd bet, but you don't know for sure.

My bet would be that, seeing how Rift is bleeding subs, Trion is more interested in keeping the established players content. It's the established players who have proven that they can commit to the game and stick around for the long haul.

People who rage quit due to twinking are probably just as likely to quit for other reasons, even if Trion took steps against twinking. I'd guess that a good percentage wouldn't stick around very long once they discovered that end game is no different from low level WF's with twinks, except the grind at end game is much much longer.

As to who would win the bet is anyone's guess. Trion has a much better grasp of the realities than we do, but I'd bet even they don't know for sure what would benefit them the most. Thus, it all falls to Trion to figure out which route to take to keep and / or garner more subs.

[Tarien]

your point? your point is unclear. And no it wouldnt be another mmo, because luckily for RIFT, GW2 and Tera isnt out yet.

The point about PvPers generally being all threats and posturing. And GL HF in GW2. Can't come soon enough, cannot wait for everyone's hopes and dreams to be shattered on the latest over hyped MMO.

The Tera comment was funny though. You know that it's already had really bad reviews and server merges in the East right?

[Tarien]

My bet would be that, seeing how Rift is bleeding subs, Trion is more interested in keeping the established players content.

"You'd bet, but you don't know for sure." - random internet idiot.

If you don't attract new customers, you don't grow, you shrink, because eventually older customers leave. As much as it would be nice to think that we as existing customers come first (and in some respects I am sure we do), Trion would be fools to not have an interest in attracting new customers, and I do not think Trion are fools at all.

Except where this XP lock is concerned

[kaspurtz]

The point about PvPers generally being all threats and posturing. And GL HF in GW2. Can't come soon enough, cannot wait for everyone's hopes and dreams to be shattered on the latest over hyped MMO.

The Tera comment was funny though. You know that it's already had really bad reviews and server merges in the East right?

you think i care how bad gw2 or tera will be. I would rather play games that are devoted to pvp rather than having to GRIND MOBS IN MOONSHADE HIGHLANDS BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ON MY MAIN CHARACTER. You think i care about your opinions or anything any other scrubs opinions when it comes to pvp. I don't. Because i enter WF's expecting to go to battle and work hard for kills, no matter how out geared an opponent might be. You guys (bad PvP'ers) Enter WF's wanting the enemy to /sleep so you can gain an easy kill. Different type of breed of players. You new generation of gamers make me sick of how much you cry over game mechanics. Look what is has lead to in RIFT. Nerf bats each patch. No further questions.

[Tarien]

you think i care how bad gw2 or tera will be. I would rather play games that are devoted to pvp rather than having to GRIND MOBS IN MOONSHADE HIGHLANDS BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING TO DO ON MY MAIN CHARACTER. You think i care about your opinions or anything any other scrubs opinions when it comes to pvp. I don't. Because i enter WF's expecting to go to battle and work hard for kills, no matter how out geared an opponent might be. You guys (bad PvP'ers) Enter WF's wanting the enemy to /sleep so you can gain an easy kill. Different type of breed of players. You new generation of gamers make me sick of how much you cry over game mechanics. Look what is has lead to in RIFT. Nerf bats each patch. No further questions.

New generation ey? I have been playing MMOs for thirteen years which judging by your post here is probably since you were born. This isn't a new generation crying over game mechanics, this is an older player stating objectively that XP locks are a bad idea.

As for the rest of your post sorry, don't have time for juvenile ranting because his favourite exploit is being called out.

[jca]

Tarien, I understand your sentiments but frankly, I think you're flat out wrong. Only Trion has the stats so none of us can say for sure what the impact of xp-lock has been on wf's, but anecdotally I can say this: before xp-lock sub-50 wf queue were terrible. You'd be lucky to get 3 wf's an hour. Since xp-lock, in my bracket anyways, queue's are almost instant. I'd throw out there, that if anything, xp-lock has revitalized sub-50 pvp, not killed it.

[Baccano]

I've got most of the footage recorded for the guide/overview on how to gear from all the different brackets from 20-49. I just have to clean it up a bit and do the voiceover and then I'll be posting it.

In the meantime, you might want to cut it out with the, "wah wah you have such an unfair advantage" nonsense, because you CLEARLY have no idea just how easy it is to get geared.

When you see just how fundamentally simple and easy it is to get geared, I'd hate for the realization to strike you right when you've got a heaping mouthful of foot to swallow before you can come to terms with reality.

So basically you're saying new players have to exp lock at every x9 to have fun and not get facerolled instead of going to 50 because they'll be getting 2-3 shotted by twinks if they don't. If you don't think that's unfair, you're being quite ignorant and exactly as what he said about twinks.

I guess camping the other team's spawn is 'competitive' in the twink world. If you're twinking to be 'competitive' in the lower brackets, it shows how bad you are in PvP as you need a clear advantage over the others to beat them.

[Tarien]

Tarien, I understand your sentiments but frankly, I think you're flat out wrong. Only Trion has the stats so none of us can say for sure what the impact of xp-lock has been on wf's, but anecdotally I can say this: before xp-lock sub-50 wf queue were terrible. You'd be lucky to get 3 wf's an hour. Since xp-lock, in my bracket anyways, queue's are almost instant. I'd throw out there, that if anything, xp-lock has revitalized sub-50 pvp, not killed it.

If that is the case I'm sure you won't mind if Trion has a seperate queue for XP locked accounts?

Gotta say that in the few months that I have been levelling my three alts in warfronts (lot of RL work in the way ), I never really felt that the queue was an issue. Doesn't seem to be any quicker now than before. But as you say, maybe that is just my bracket, and only Trion has the hard facts.

[jca]

If that is the case I'm sure you won't mind if Trion has a seperate queue for XP locked accounts?

Gotta say that in the few months that I have been levelling my three alts in warfronts (lot of RL work in the way ), I never really felt that the queue was an issue. Doesn't seem to be any quicker now than before. But as you say, maybe that is just my bracket, and only Trion has the hard facts.

I'd love to have separate queue's for locked accounts if the queues worked out right although I suspect non-locked players will be the losers if that ever happens.

[Tarien]

I'd love to have separate queue's for locked accounts if the queues worked out right although I suspect non-locked players will be the losers if that ever happens.

Works for me, I don't have a problem with that solution. I just think that people should be on a more or less even keel, and putting experienced, perfect spec'd, twinked out, level x9 death machines in with unsuspecting players just wanting to see how PvP is or change the scenery from questing is a terrible idea.

Sure at 50 it's sorta the same, Rank 1s could end up against Rank 40s, but that's the design otherwise there is no progression, and over time you over come this. Plus there are meant to be separate queues for the high and low ranks.

[Sykk]

i ran twinks vs twinks in wow, so i'm not really against twinks but it's def wrong to steamroll leveling players
it's a decent way to play the different classes, everyone isn't going to max out every class in the game to 50

not sure the player base is big enough to separate them here
didn't have mercs when i was leveling though, so maybe they can pull it off