Get rid of twinks

[Tarien]

He's just a twink defending his rolling of newbs for fun.

He's using big words to look grown up, sadly his grasp of grammar and spelling leave a lot to be desired so it's not really having the desired effect.

meritted

abrassive

protocal

jeuvenile

If you're going to try and look big and clever first learn to spell, and then learn to address my arguments instead of the usual forum troll ad hominem gibberish.

[Tarien]

I'll be posting a video in the next day or two that illustrates how new players can gear to be competitive in any bracket above 20. I'm not touching the 10-19 bracket because it's dominated by players using characters funded by wealthy mains and that's just not very sporting.

After that, if you don't want to take the very reasonable steps to gear yourself to be competitive in PvP, that's your choice. You just won't be able to say you didn't have a chance.

Most new players won't have access to world event currencies to buy the nice gear that people use to twink, so straight away there it's a problem.

Secondly, if you think it's not an issue you're just plain wrong. I've seen entire games changed because of one or two twinked players that far exceed the performance of anyone else. I've been that person, most notably on my rogue where I've done 3-5 times the damage and kills of the next person below me.

Fortunately I have no intention of locking my XP, I just want to level some characters, so once I am in that x8-x9 level range where I tend to perform just a bit too well, it will only last a few games or so and then I am into the next bracket and back at the bottom of the food chain.

It's an issue, there are just too many children, cowards and bullies who don't want to give up their massive advantage that let's them steam roll everyone 24/7 in the lower brackets.

[nemecis]

spelling and grammatical errors do not invalidate any of my posts. They may detract from them in the eyes of some, but certainly not invalidate.

Your continued abrasive demeanor does however detract from the point you originally intended to make. So kudos on derailing your thread even further. Seems it was as baseless, combative and useless as I'd originally surmised.

*I used spell check just for you *

p.s. it was you who began the ad hominem posting for the record.
p.s.s. as for addressing your arguments - they have been made by others in countless other threads. Had you bothered to post in any of those threads, I wouldn't need to address your "arguments" as I've already done so on several occasions.

[Tarien]

spelling and grammatical errors do not invalidate any of my posts. They may detract from them in the eyes of some, but certainly not invalidate.

Your continued abrasive demeanor does however detract from the point you originally intended to make. So kudos on derailing your thread even further. Seems it was as baseless, combative and useless as I'd originally surmised.

*I used spell check just for you *

No but they do prove that the high-brow mentality you're trying to adopt is all an act, so you can drop the fancy language and big words because it's making you seem faintly ridiculous.

You can harp on about my demeanour (notice correct English spelling, not silly Americanization) all you like but you still haven't addressed a single point in any of the arguments that I have put forward, and in all likelihood lack the intelligence to do so.

*I didn't use spell check, I have a brain*

[Meina]

He's using big words to look grown up, sadly his grasp of grammar and spelling leave a lot to be desired so it's not really having the desired effect.


If you're going to try and look big and clever first learn to spell, and then learn to address my arguments instead of the usual forum troll ad hominem gibberish.

Nemecis in his original post did nothing more than point out that there were several other threads where you could have given your opinion of twinking. He also, quite legitimately, pointed out that spamming the same subject on the forums is frowned upon by Trion.

It was you who responded with condescension and belligerence. This, of course, brings up a case of exactly who threw the first stone, so to speak, when it comes to the "forum troll ad hominem gibberish".

IMO, you're pointing in the wrong direction.

[Tarien]

This, of course, brings up a case of exactly who threw the first stone, so to speak, when it comes to the "forum troll ad hominem gibberish".

Maybe you'd like to stay on topic if you're so keen on forum rules and protocols? Also, look up the actual meaning of ad hominem.

[daarknight]

Most new players won't have access to world event currencies to buy the nice gear that people use to twink, so straight away there it's a problem.

The carnival event allows you to very quickly get currency that can be exchanged for any world event currency. At level 12 or so I was able to get a blue weapon, purple helm, purple trinket, purple neck and 5 purple lesser essences without any help from a level 50. Actually some of that stuff is BOP so a level 50 will not help.

I do think a valor source engine, crafted greens with purple augments and notoriety runes are a bit ridiculous especially in the 10-19 bracket. Anything else is very easy to aquire as long as you know where to get it. Heck with the carnival in town and a free port to Shimmersand, it is very easy to leech a couple major events for a bunch of inscribed to get your 6 slot source machine. Anyone can do this without a level 50.

[Tarien]

The carnival event allows you to very quickly get currency that can be exchanged for any world event currency. At level 12 or so I was able to get a blue weapon, purple helm, purple trinket, purple neck and 5 purple lesser essences without any help from a level 50. Actually some of that stuff is BOP so a level 50 will not help.

I do think a valor source engine, crafted greens with purple augments and notoriety runes are a bit ridiculous especially in the 10-19 bracket. Anything else is very easy to aquire as long as you know where to get it. Heck with the carnival in town and a free port to Shimmersand, it is very easy to leech a couple major events for a bunch of inscribed to get your 6 slot source machine. Anyone can do this without a level 50.

I'm sure it's possible for someone to run around and get a lot of the gear without too much trouble, but I would question whether this was an enjoyable way to spend time (gearing for PvP so that they have a chance) and whether a fresh player would even understand where to get these items, or how.

[Garethe]

I regularly level alts, because I enjoy the process (leveling my 6th toon right now), and I must say, it has been the least pleasant experience I've had yet.

Its not too bad when there are even numbers of twinks on both sides, but when you get a run of 10+ warfronts with twinks on one side farming new players on the other, it is simply not enjoyable (no matter whether you are winning or losing).

I think allowing twinks has been one of the worst decisions Trion has made in this game to date.

[yayoh]

What's all the fuss about? i'm having a great time on my twink.

http://imageshack.us/f/808/mytwink.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/703/mytwink1.jpg/

Theres 2 screens i took after seeing this thread. I basically cast 1 fireball and i get 1 kb.

all....day, And it makes me cool.

[Meina]

Maybe you'd like to stay on topic if you're so keen on forum rules and protocols? Also, look up the actual meaning of ad hominem.

Okay, here goes...

1) It has been mentioned many times that both pro and anti twinks agree that some items and enhancements should be modified to bring twink power levels down a notch.

2) it takes, what, 2 maybe 3 hours of game time to gear up enough to compete with twinks. I'm not saying this time will make you a full bore twink, but it will be enough to keep you from being a free kill, unless you get ganged up on. Knowing what gear to get and where to get it, in many peoples' opinions, is an integral part of a gear based system, which this is.

3) People have also agreed, on both sides of the argument, that sub level 20 WF's should be exempt from XP locking. This bracket is the most effected by XP locking and it should also be preserved as a "For the new peeps" bracket.

After that, it's game on!.

4) In my experience, most of the anti-twink sentiment has little to do with twinking. People get beat, they need an excuse for why they got beat (heaven forbid they were outplayed) so the point at the most obvious target, twinks.

5) People also fail to realize that you cannot expect to walk into a WF at the bottom of the level bracket and / or wearing woefully outdated gear and expect to survive for very long. This has nothing to do with twinking. These people would have been spanked whether twinks exist or not, yet they usually blame twinks for why they got spanked.

6) At this stage of the game, Trion is better served by retaining established players, which twinking does in a lot of cases. Sure, getting new subs is nice, but keeping established players, people who have shown that they can commit to the game, happy goes a lot further revenue-wise than luring people into the game that might or might not stay around for a month.

On and on and on and so forth.

You would have seen all this if you had bothered to read any of the other numerous threads on the subject, instead of adding another redundant thread to the forums.

[nemecis]

What astonishes me is with your vastly superior intellect, you were unable to:

(a) use the search function to find an appropriate thread to vent your angst
(b) unable to actually make a valid argument supported by evidence

As noted earlier, had you bothered to post in a pre-existing thread on the topic, you may have noticed I've addressed the issues you allude to in your OP. However, since you're apparently unwilling or unable to locate these threads yourself, I'll extend the courtesy of responding to your post.

Lower end brackets are completely destroyed by twinks

This is an opinion that you've misrepresented as a presumed fact. So not much to argue here, other than IMHO, you're wrong.

It's one thing for someone to use leftover currency to buy a few event items as I do

So you admit to twinking ....

it's totally different when someone locks themselves at 19/29/39 and buys all the BiS gear, runes, potions etc.

I see, it's okay to use gear that's available (even with some help from a main), but it's not okay to do so if they wish to lock XP. Your title says twinks need to be removed, not XP locking. Regardless of XP lock or not, twinking has/will occur, something you own adyourself do by your admission.

As for those who chose to XP lock, I don't see how it's any of YOUR business how they choose to spend thier time in game. Trion offered us the ability to lock XP, some chose to, others do not.

As for BIS gear, runes, potions - all I can surmise here is that you're not willing to invest that much into your characters, quite possibly because you plan to level out of the various brackets eventually. Just because you can't be bothered, doesn't mean others should be denied that opportunity.

Once again, you haven't really made an argument of substance. You've simply come to the forums to QQ, which as I correctly noted in my first post - does NOT merit its own thread, especially when there are so many others which you could have responded to.

The only conclusion I can reach based on your actions is that you feel your opinion is somehow more valid than anyone esles. Or perhaps you just finished getting your @ss handed to you once again by someone you perceive to be a twink, and failing your ability to counter them, you feel Trion should kill that which you could not.

If someone wants to max out their gear they can get to 50 and do it there. XP lock was a bad idea, get rid of it.

Actually, if someone wants to max out their gear, they can do it @ any bracket ... this is what the XP lock allows. As for XP lock being a bad idea ... you've provided no evidence to support your position, merely a diatribe of bigotry.

So I say to Trion -

In my opinion, Tarien is a bad forum poster. They cannot be bothered to post in pre-existing, appropriate threads. They cannot take even constructive critcisms, and resort to attacks on one's person, rather than respond in a civil manner. They are clearly bigotted towards those who chose to play within the system permitted by Trion, and Twink their low level characters. So Trion, please get rid of Tarien.

[Tarien]

1) It has been mentioned many times that both pro and anti twinks agree that some items and enhancements should be modified to bring twink power levels down a notch.

2) it takes, what, 2 maybe 3 hours of game time to gear up enough to compete with twinks. I'm not saying this time will make you a full bore twink, but it will be enough to keep you from being a free kill, unless you get ganged up on. Knowing what gear to get and where to get it, in many peoples' opinions, is an integral part of a gear based system, which this is.

3) People have also agreed, on both sides of the argument, that sub level 20 WF's should be exempt from XP locking. This bracket is the most effected by XP locking and it should also be preserved as a "For the new peeps" bracket.

I thought from what I posted (and the numerous other posts you keep referring to) that it might be obvious that the issue isn't so much gearing as it is the XP lock. Without the lock, even if someone bothers to waste large amounts of time and money getting the perfect set of gear, after less than half a dozen hours at most it's redundant because you've entered the next bracket. The cost of twinking for such a short time often outweighs the benefits and immediately limits the lengths people will go to in creating a twink.

I also disagree with the idea that it only affects the 10-19 bracket, the 20-29 bracket is just as bad, and the 30-39 is actually worse.

4) In my experience, most of the anti-twink sentiment has little to do with twinking. People get beat, they need an excuse for why they got beat (heaven forbid they were outplayed) so the point at the most obvious target, twinks.

I'm sure that plenty of people will waive their arms about and wail every time they die and blame someone else, but sorry that's not me. I lost a number of games today that were purely down to terrible teams or teamwork and as far as I am concerned that's life. You can't win them all, and I never expect more than a 50:50 win loss ratio.

5) People also fail to realize that you cannot expect to walk into a WF at the bottom of the level bracket and / or wearing woefully outdated gear and expect to survive for very long. This has nothing to do with twinking. These people would have been spanked whether twinks exist or not, yet they usually blame twinks for why they got spanked.

Being in the higher end does help (mostly with the number of abilities that you have available), but the bolstering that occurs for players who are at the bottom end is actually very well done. The only time I ever feel at a serious disadvantage is when I am up against twinks.

6) At this stage of the game, Trion is better served by retaining established players, which twinking does in a lot of cases. Sure, getting new subs is nice, but keeping established players, people who have shown that they can commit to the game, happy goes a lot further revenue-wise than luring people into the game that might or might not stay around for a month.

Are you kidding me? Should we also let players level to 50 in 6hrs on Ember Isle because we don't want to lose them? No that's just plain stupid, if it's bad for the game, it should go and tough luck to the people that cry about it being gone. Keeping a bad feature in just to placate lazy, incompetent or plain bad players is never a good idea.

You would have seen all this if you had bothered to read any of the other numerous threads on the subject, instead of adding another redundant thread to the forums.

Maybe I felt a new thread would draw more attention, because so far there has been no Developer response to all these threads that apparently exist. Either way, if you don't like it either stop posting and perpetuating the thread and report it, or stop bringing it up because you're a fool if you think I care.

[Tarien]

What astonishes me is with your vastly superior intellect, you were unable to:

(a) use the search function to find an appropriate thread to vent your angst
(b) unable to actually make a valid argument supported by evidence

It genuinely astonishes me that even after being called out for personal attacks (that's what ad hominem means, by the way), you continue to try to insult me.

As noted earlier, had you bothered to post in a pre-existing thread on the topic, you may have noticed I've addressed the issues you allude to in your OP. However, since you're apparently unwilling or unable to locate these threads yourself, I'll extend the courtesy of responding to your post.

We'll go with unwilling. I feel the issue which as yet has received no response from any developer despite all these threads about it, deserved another thread.

This is an opinion that you've misrepresented as a presumed fact. So not much to argue here, other than IMHO, you're wrong.

Well that's just your opinion isn't it. Convincing argument though.

I see, it's okay to use gear that's available (even with some help from a main), but it's not okay to do so if they wish to lock XP. Your title says twinks need to be removed, not XP locking. Regardless of XP lock or not, twinking has/will occur, something you own adyourself do by your admission.

Well I'm sorry if it wasn't immediately obvious after this thread and the many others that have gone before that the issue is not the gear but the fact that XP locks allow people to twinks to such a degree that they are starting to dominate warfronts. Your deliberate ignorance reminds me of the old saying, there's none so blind as those that refuse to see. Know what I mean?

Yes, I do buy gear to help me, no I don't feel this is an issue because I don't take it to the absolute extreme, and I don't lock my XP so within a fairly short period I am into the next bracket. I will not be sat there forever ruining people's days by wiping the floor with them time after time.

As for those who chose to XP lock, I don't see how it's any of YOUR business how they choose to spend thier time in game. Trion offered us the ability to lock XP, some chose to, others do not.

Really? I'm not quite believing that you think this is a reasonable argument. An action taken by Trion has resulted in a ****ty experience for other players, and those players have no right to complain and explain why it's a bad experience? Okay then.

As for BIS gear, runes, potions - all I can surmise here is that you're not willing to invest that much into your characters, quite possibly because you plan to level out of the various brackets eventually. Just because you can't be bothered, doesn't mean others should be denied that opportunity.

People can do what they like, but I object to people sitting at the top end of a bracket indefinitely ruining the experience for everyone else. This problem will continue to grow imo, it needs dealing with now. Not sure why Trion introduced XP locks at all.

Once again, you haven't really made an argument of substance. You've simply come to the forums to QQ, which as I correctly noted in my first post - does NOT merit its own thread, especially when there are so many others which you could have responded to.

I've made plenty of arguments, you just summarily dismiss them without any real counter argument at all. You have no made a single convincing argument for keeping XP lock in the game, instead you nit pick at silly points that you deliberately misunderstand or misconstrue because in reality you have nothing worthwhile to say.

I on the other hand do, hence the new thread. Sorry if you don't like it, maybe you should stop posting and the thread will stop bumping to the top? That would be nice for both of us.

The only conclusion I can reach based on your actions is that you feel your opinion is somehow more valid than anyone esles. Or perhaps you just finished getting your @ss handed to you once again by someone you perceive to be a twink, and failing your ability to counter them, you feel Trion should kill that which you could not.

Lol, hello Kettle, meet Mr Pot.

I can post some screenshots if you like of my rogue with top damage and killing blows. The issue is not twinking, it's the absurdity of allowing XP locked players to destroy the enjoyment of many levelling players so that a few self entitled players looking for cheap thrills and ego boosts who clearly lack the skill to do well at max level on a level playing field can ruin the warfronts for everyone else.

Actually, if someone wants to max out their gear, they can do it @ any bracket ... this is what the XP lock allows. As for XP lock being a bad idea ... you've provided no evidence to support your position, merely a diatribe of bigotry.

I don't think you know the meaning of the word bigotry, more big words trying to sound clever. I think I've explained my position clearly enough and as I keep saying, if there are other threads on this I am sure the arguments have all been made before. You're deliberately playing ignorant in order to side step a legitimate issue.

So I say to Trion -

In my opinion, Tarien is a bad forum poster. They cannot be bothered to post in pre-existing, appropriate threads. They cannot take even constructive critcisms, and resort to attacks on one's person, rather than respond in a civil manner. They are clearly bigotted towards those who chose to play within the system permitted by Trion, and Twink their low level characters. So Trion, please get rid of Tarien.

Yeah GL with that, I have over 400 days left on my account. Same time next year?

[Tarien]

Just to reinforce the idea that I am actually playing in all three brackets (and so know what I am talking about), and the results of some only moderate twinking, here are some images for you to enjoy:

My list of characters, the cleric just made it to 20 this evening.
http://i.imgur.com/QLpSi.png

And my 32 rogue has had some fun in the previous brackets:
http://i.imgur.com/3dxje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FgOkj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/B8GUT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CkMsK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JlDY2.jpg