So, They really gutted healing pretty hard

[Cherrileigh]

It actually encourages better gameplay.

People actually have to think about what they're doing versus charging into 10 people and knowing their Pocket Healer is going to keep them safe.

Just like how all the PvP healing nerfs in WoW lead to better game play. Oh right they didn't. I'll be more right on this then you. Game play won't be better and you will spend more of the match waiting to rez.

[Notnice]

Have you made a single reply to anything I've said without tossing in some sort of insult?

This is what he posted.

It encourages worse gameplay.

Everyone now knows they can zerg everything down without having to worry about heals, heck they don't even need CC, just blow it all up.

But you right away pulled out the you are throwing out insults card yada yada yada.

Without fail you react this way as soon as someone says something you don't like. And you love to argue semantics to infuriate people so you can use the you insulted me card.

[Pesmergia]

Ok, I'm not going to change any of your clerics minds that are dead set that the nerf was overkill. I got it. You don't listen to any kind of reason.

Just know that there are builds that work as stated previously by other clerics in these threads. If you are having trouble healing then it is time to look at your builds and fine tune them to make them work. If you gave up healing then at least you can still DPS.

No matter what happens the healing nerf went through the PTS phase and they aren't reversing anytime soon. Adapt and overcome, roll DPS or roll another character. Have fun with your pitty party on these forums.

YOU CANNOT FINE TUNE what was already fine tuned.

If you change from sent/warden to anything else, you are DOWN-TUNING.

Thanks for further proving how little you know about clerics.

There is no other healing spec that will come close to the output of what was nerfed.

IT
WAS
A
NERF
TO
THE
BEST
SPEC

There is no other spec that can come within 33% of the healing output of what was nerfed.

Since the nerf, maybe it can come in about 15% less healing but still LESS overall.

[DarkDruidSS]

YOU CANNOT TINE TUNE what was already fine tuned.

If you change from sent/warden to anything else, you are DOWN-TUNING.

Thanks for further proving how little you know about clerics.

There is no other healing spec that will come close to the output of what was nerfed.

IT
WAS
A
NERF
TO
THE
BEST
SPEC

THERE
IS
ANOTHER
SPEC.
LEARN
TO
USE
IT.

I'm out. Going to try to find something with less drama queens.

[Satiar]

Just like how all the PvP healing nerfs in WoW lead to better game play. Oh right then didn't. I 'll be more right on this then you. Game play won't be better and you will spend more of the match waiting to rez.

I never played WoW, so I wouldn't know.

There are arguments on both sides for this, and without looking into a crystal ball, I hardly think you can state conclusively one way or the other. It's all good and fine to say "I'll be more right on this than you", but it's hardly something you can prove.

Here's another insult for you:

Maybe if you actually played the game, besides troll the forums getting your post count to 1.2k, you would understand how rift works.

I've played since release and I have HALF your posts.

Do you actually see nothing wrong with using ad hominem reasoning as the basis for your arguments?

[Pesmergia]

THERE
IS
ANOTHER
SPEC.
LEARN
TO
USE
IT.

I'm out. Going to try to find something with less drama queens.

THAT
SPEC
SUCKS

I'VE
TRIED
THEM
ALL

Going against r6 dps, YOU WILL NOT BE KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE, as pure sent, or puri/sent, no way, and if you say you do, you are lying, or the r6 dps you are fighting are horrible.

[Morituri]

I did some warfronts last night and some this morning, all pugs. The basics of what I'm seeing is that, if you're lucky enough to get more than three healers on your team, you'll probably win. That being said, the numbers I'm seeing for actual heals right now is ridiculously low. I obviously go down faster which is NOT what I'm upset about, but the fact that I can't keep my teammates alive as well as I could before. On top of that, I'm seeing clerics (even R6 clerics) that I knew were healers before 1.4 who are now running pure dps specs. I went to a PS today, and me and a mage were the only healers. We had four dps clerics. That's out of a team of 20 ppl. I did a Codex, the other team had EIGHT warriors, and we got completely creamed. Healers were never as big a contributing factor to wins even before 1.4 as warriors were, and now that healers are nerfed, it's even more so. The team with more warriors wins. And many times the past two days what I'm seeing is the other team destroying all my teammates because I can't keep them alive anymore and then coming for me last.

And despite what some of you seem to want to say about Pesmergia, I've done many, many warfronts with him, and he was an amazing healer.

All of this is basically true. (Except I don't know Pesmergia, but I also don't try to belittle him even though we have different opinions).

More healers win: Check
Heals are down: Check
More clerics going DPS: Check
1.4 Warriors may be more of a contributing factor than 1.3 healing clerics: I need more personal data but my gut says check.
Team with more warriors wins: Check (as long as they're geared).

Edit: No where have I seen the team with the most rogues win.

[Notnice]

I really think you should try playing a Cleric just once so you know what you are talking about. It would help.

For someone who isn't R6 and doesn't play a cleric you really seem to think you know allot.

Must be nice to just repeat a conversation you heard so people think you are smart.

[Pesmergia]

I never played WoW, so I wouldn't know.

There are arguments on both sides for this, and without looking into a crystal ball, I hardly think you can state conclusively one way or the other. It's all good and fine to say "I'll be more right on this than you", but it's hardly something you can prove.



Do you actually see nothing wrong with using ad hominem reasoning as the basis for your arguments?

I don't need any basis for any arguments.

Myself, as well as multiple other people are the basis, your arguments speak for themselves, I don't need a basis for something that does my job for me.

You make it so easy Satiar.

[Satiar]

I don't need any basis for any arguments.

You don't need a basis for your arguments?

Oh dear lord. You actually said that.

Ok, I'm out. No intelligent debating here. Have fun, take care.

[DarkDruidSS]

THAT
SPEC
SUCKS

I'VE
TRIED
THEM
ALL

Going against r6 dps, YOU WILL NOT BE KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE, as pure sent, or puri/sent, no way, and if you say you do, you are lying, or the r6 dps you are fighting are horrible.

OK, one last comment. I have no beef with you or your ability to play the spec that you loved. I am sure that you played it well. All I am saying is that it IS entirely possible that a spec does work that you haven't mastered. A spec that seems to work for some people in these very threads.

Maybe with some luck some of these clerics that enjoy their spec and preform well with it will post the exact build so you can see it instead of just popping in and saying heals are fine.

Good luck with your cleric and now I am really out of here.

[Pesmergia]

You don't need a basis for your arguments?

Oh dear lord. You actually said that.

Ok, I'm out. No intelligent debating here. Have fun, take care.

Thanks for further doing my job for me, quoting only 40% of what I typed.

The other 60% was, your arguments do the job for me so I don't need a basis.

YOU MAKE IT SO EASY SATIAR!

[Cherrileigh]

I never played WoW, so I wouldn't know.

There are arguments on both sides for this, and without looking into a crystal ball, I hardly think you can state conclusively one way or the other. It's all good and fine to say "I'll be more right on this than you", but it's hardly something you can prove.

I have healed in WoW PvP for years. Healers will still heal themselves and live while DPs won't get the Heals needed to keep the them up. Welcome to more GY time.

[Pesmergia]

OK, one last comment. I have no beef with you or your ability to play the spec that you loved. I am sure that you played it well. All I am saying is that it IS entirely possible that a spec does work that you haven't mastered. A spec that seems to work for some people in these very threads.

Maybe with some luck some of these clerics that enjoy their spec and preform well with it will post the exact build so you can see it instead of just popping in and saying heals are fine.

Good luck with your cleric and now I am really out of here.

No it really will not work.

Really, against r6 dps it will not work, really, ask anyone, go to the braircliff forums and make a thread about top 3 PvP healers on our shard, I will be listed as one of the 3, if not #1 if you doubt my credibility, GO FOR IT, I'll be waiting here.

Again I say:

R6 dps WILL EAT YOU ALIVE as pure sentinel, or puri/sent, warden hots used to fill in the back-end burst to make it somewhat possible to keep someone alive with CC in the equation.

Everyone that I have ran against, in similar gear, LIKE I SAID 4 pages back, and at least 2 times in the last 3 pages, I have outhealed by more than 33%.

They are not making it work, if they were making it work, they would be keeping up with my healing, they are not even getting close to my healing.

I've had MANY r6 cleric healers ask me what spec I'm running because they are NOT satisfied with 51 sent or puri/sent, and USED to be 100% happy with sent/warden before the nerf.

Seriously QUIT posting crap about stuff you have no idea about.

I got nerfed because of you overexaggerating dps, now I got dps telling me what I should be specing, I am rather finding this laughable.

[Satiar]

I have healed in WoW PvP for years. Healers will still heal themselves and live while DPs won't get the Heals needed to keep the them up. Welcome to more GY time.

Who would player a healer just to heal themselves and do no DPS? That seems... counterproductive.

At any rate. I feel it will encourage more intelligent play. Idiots will rush in where angels fear to tread, and will pay for it. Smarter players will learn to make use of their skills and environment better.

And on top of it, all this is moot because heals still exist. It was a nerf, not an atom bomb. You can still heal people, it's simply your choice as it has always been.

You have been practically untouched since beta in the healing regard. Is one nerf really cause for ragequits?