Defiants in PVP. A joke or working as intended?

[Erada]

First of all - Yes, this is a rant. Im not usually a person to resort to such measures, but unfortunately right now i need to fume my rage somewhere.

Defiants suck in warfronts. And i dont mean being bad - that happens to everyone. Im talking winning 1 bg out of 10. For everyone.

I started out as a guardian. I leveled to 40 ish and i dont think i ever lost a single battleground. Due to some reasons i decided to switch server, and rolled a defiant - in another battlegroup too. How is it working out?

I am currently prestige rank 3, and about 8k away from last rep level for codex and black garden.
I have won 23 gardens and 4 codexes.
Yes. Im not joking. These are real numbers.

Whitefall steppes are annoying but playable, with about 30% win/lose ratio, same at port scion.

But overall, it seems as if every single person who did not know ANYTHING about pvp rolled a defiant.
I dont mind losing a fair game - heck, i dont mind losing to a better player. Thats what happens.
But losing 30 warfronts in a row 500-130 garden or 1000-200 codex is just... wow.

Obviously this is not trion's fault, but it is extremely annoying - in fact, annoying enough for me to consider stopping doing any pvp whatsoever until some kind of change.

What about you guys? Do you have same issue as defiant/guardian? What are your thoughts?
This is Blightwield EU shard btw.

[Rute675]

I see the same issues. In my case, Silkweb on NA, a PvE server. We're matched up with Briarwood, a PvP server. In most cases, we have about a 10% or less win ratio. Our PUG teams are matched up with PreMade PvP teams who are in the same guild and same vent server. Why we're matched up against a PvP server, I'll never know. There's no chance that I'll be able to complete the Whitefall Warfront Quests, let alone attempt to have fun. Its infuriating, as I was really looking forward to doing the warfronts.

[Dominmatric]

I see the same issues. In my case, Silkweb on NA, a PvE server. We're matched up with Briarwood, a PvP server. In most cases, we have about a 10% or less win ratio. Our PUG teams are matched up with PreMade PvP teams who are in the same guild and same vent server. Why we're matched up against a PvP server, I'll never know. There's no chance that I'll be able to complete the Whitefall Warfront Quests, let alone attempt to have fun. Its infuriating, as I was really looking forward to doing the warfronts.

To me your frustrations are coming more from fighting premades with pugs than fighting pvp servers.

[Erada]

To me your frustrations are coming more from fighting premades with pugs than fighting pvp servers.

For me it doesnt matter if its premades, pvp / pve servers etc. We lose. 90% of time. And as far as i am aware, guardians win much much much more often in all battlegroups, which makes it more annoying for good defiants, who get tired and reroll guardian and make it even harder for other defiants. And the cycle goes on :S

[shp]

I come from Blightweald as well and have same concerns. Today I decided to play warfronts only and it was a terrible experience. I won maybe 5 battles during the whole day.

Despite the horribly sucking defiants, where the hell is logic in joining in the middle of battle!? Or playing 6vs4!?? How can we balance skills and classes when basic mechanics are broken? Coming from Guild Wars, as a experienced PvP player, I don't know what to say and I'm greatly dissapointed.

When gear and lack of balance wins against player's skill, it's not a real PvP.

[Tyraethan]

I have been having the exact same issues. I am Defiant on Bryiel and I rarely win it seems. Over halfway to rank 4 and have only won about 50 games.

[Villaintine]

I would sincerely advise that those who think it is only their faction doing poorly to try the other side out. You'll have a better idea if it's truly a problem of the entire faction or if the only common theme to the losses are you being present.

Having played both sides to cap on Sunrest/Lotham/Faeblight it isn't factional at all. It comes down entirely to whether there are premades present and the composition of the teams.

[Tyraethan]

So would you explain my being nearly rank 4 with just over 50 wins just terrible luck?

That just feels like something is not working correctly. There may just be a number of very dominant guardian groups in my battlegroup, i don't really know, but there just feels to be something imbalanced about it.

[Villaintine]

Are you PUGing or making your own premades?

[ozymandiez]

Are you PUGing or making your own premades?

He's more than likely PUGing it. I myself do not have hours of time to gather a good group of pvp'ers together, find a working vent server, and start que'ing up. Half the time no one wants to heal; even if it means winning. The guards on my server group win close to 90% of the time, most are premades from a PvP server. Their queue times have jumped by 20 minutes or so since most defiant quit WF's or the game itself. So yeah the cycle goes on. The longer it takes Trion to fix the Premade vs PUG issue the more subs they seem to lose. I cancelled mine with the hope that 1.2 fixes certain aspects of PvP. I'm the last holdout from my guild that moved here from "the other game"--lets hope 1.2 is awesome.

[Vin Howard]

same happens to me on Neddra, pvp NA shard

I think the problem might be how the factions are presented; Guardians are the epic soldiers; Defiant are the peasants and scientists

I mean I very much like a good hard to win battle, but I don't want a one sided battle either way

[Parlourbeatflex]

I seem to ask this question every time i exit a warfront.. Im EU @ scarhide and im beginning to lose all hope for the defiant pvp side. Apart from a few iv met and my guiildies... noone seems to have a foggiest in wfs. Not only are the majority bad... but there bad in the strangest of ways. Its like wow fanboys that couldnt get past lvl 10 all came to rift and rolled defiant....

For example, today i was playing whitefall steppes... Did my usual shout into wf chat about zerg attack > battle enemy zerg in center > STAY AS A ZERG > Kill flag carrier > easy wins (a tactic i admittedly hate, but unfortunately wins alot of the time). So as per usual noone listens and we get picked off one by one by enemy zerg.... ending up in a big ole heap of fail. Meh, its something im become accustomed to by now anyway.
What really got my goat is that post battle an argument breaks out between a few of us defiants... namely about how we didnt have enough healers to win.... I had presumed we had 3 with a chloro as support which is the reason i personally dps'ed throughout. Upon closer inspection however a few players had noticed that a cleric hadn't scored ANY healing points throughout the whole game. Fiery nerd argument ensues and the healer nub in question (i wont name and shame) then says the best 3 lines of text iv probabl;y seen in a mmo...

'Healing is boring man, f**k that, im dps role'
'if you wanted healing so bad then go roll a healer'
'Omg f**king nubcakes, healers are for instances not pvp'

So heres me, not only pained by the foolishness of this healer, but also weeping gamer blood at the fact everyone wraps themselves up in this the more healers ftw policy, when the truth was the whole team was a unorganised bunch of louts that couldnt follow instructions and believed that trying to run for the flag solo was a good idea.

Truly have lost all faith in my own race today. If i cared about easy wins and i didnt cringe at all the god stuff so much i think id reroll.

WINGE OVER.

[Lockiszemode]

I see the same issues. In my case, Silkweb on NA, a PvE server. We're matched up with Briarwood, a PvP server. In most cases, we have about a 10% or less win ratio. Our PUG teams are matched up with PreMade PvP teams who are in the same guild and same vent server. Why we're matched up against a PvP server, I'll never know. There's no chance that I'll be able to complete the Whitefall Warfront Quests, let alone attempt to have fun. Its infuriating, as I was really looking forward to doing the warfronts.

You are in my battlegroup so yeah, you are getting rolled.

[Artec]

Same thing on my Server, we loose way more often than we win. It becomes annoying after a while.

[Spyritwind]

At least 2/3rds of the Defiant players in most WF's are absolute morons. I can understand being out played in a face to face fight. Some people have better hand-eye coordination and some think faster on their their feet so to speak. However; I just don't understand the failing to recognize the primary objective of winning and actually attempting it.

When we are down a flag in 'Alterec Valley' the majority of defiant players will sit back and defend the flag for the rest of the match. It's as though they believe that winning is not losing more. You can't get people to wait and group up for a flag grab either. They will go solo, with just two or three tops.

For the n00bs I even suggested that we all wait and group up at our flag (so the kiddies will see our flag is safe) and once every one is there the majority of us would zerg our across the map to get the flag in force. This of course is too complicated or scary for most.

It has become infuriating to the point that I either have to concede to not pvping in this game hardly at all, or go to the guardian side. I don't want easy wins, but it would be nice to play with more people with a brain.

For the few times I've managed to get queued with decent/good defiant players it was fun win or loose, but we usually win then because the guardian side is in shock.