Defiants in PVP. A joke or working as intended?

[Kindly]

Sorry, but I don't think this is a function of pre-mades vs. pugs -- the Defiants are just terrible. Whether I instaque, wait five minutes, or wait two hours, we get stomped. Is every Guardian group a pre-made?

You know what's particularly frustrating? I know we're going to lose thirty seconds into the match -- as soon as I bring up the board to check on kills, and see every Guardian player with 7, and every Defiant player with none. I feel like random mobs have a better chance of winning a fight than Defiant pvpers. It's terrible, and broken, and it's why I've canceled my account. Which is a pity, because this game had a lot of promise.

[Dao Jones]

My experience on the Briarcliff/Gnarlwood/Harrow/Silkweb cluster was that Defiant were indeed quite terrible. We'd lose match after match, and it was mind numbing. Sure, we'd have occasional bouts of competency, but it was so rare that it was almost always noteworthy. ("Hey - I must have accidentally zoned in as a Guardian, because we're actually winning this match!")

Playing now on Faeblight/Lotham/Sunrest's cluster, my experience is much more mixed. I'd say overall Defiant still seem to lose in the pre-50 matches (I'm only 44), but it's not the 9:1 ratio that my old cluster had. In fact, it seems like it's getting close to even, and there are streaky nights where we win every match we join.

Whitefall Steppes seems to be the absolute worst for Defiant, and in both clusters we seem to lose that one more than any other. I'm not sure why we struggle so hard on that map, because all you need to do to win is "stick together". (Although having said that, last night I watched Defiant lose a WfS by "sticking together" and spending all their time fighting in the middle... )

[Neuts]

Seems to me like it's more of a positive feedback loop, where one side gains an edge which is amplified by good people on the other side giving up and either rerolling or focusing on PvE. On my cluster (Lotham/Faeblight/Sunrest), the two sides are thankfully pretty much equal, but I can see how terrible it could get.

[Bufkus]

For me it doesnt matter if its premades, pvp / pve servers etc. We lose. 90% of time. And as far as i am aware, guardians win much much much more often in all battlegroups, which makes it more annoying for good defiants, who get tired and reroll guardian and make it even harder for other defiants. And the cycle goes on :S

I have noticed this too. I lose the majority of the warfronts I participate in as a defiant. Makes me wonder if guardians have some kind of racial skill advantage.

And Wfs is the worst. I have played that warfront over a dozen times and only had 1 victory. I was happy to get rid of the quest to win it and haven't played it since.

[Vaine]

I play on the same grouping. The problem is most definitely you as I win 90% of my BG's as defiant.

Get a premade and dominate.

[Dreadcraft]

I've played on both sides on different servers. As a guardian I own people, on the defiant side with the same class and build I have some difficulty. I have wondered if at some point a dev added code to help guardians, either to test or cuz they play guardian, and it was left in. I mean, it doesn't make sense that one side would so overwhelmingly own with so many thousands in the sample. The only other possibility is that the terms for the factions themselves attract a certain type of person, and because of that the guardians are predisposed to working together, while the defiant side tends to attract more "defiant" people.

There has to be a reason that the one side is winning so much, and Trion should really look into it.

[Vaine]

There has to be a reason that the one side is winning so much, and Trion should really look into it.

it's because during beta the good guilds thought

a) there was going to be open world pvp

and

b) wanted to play the underdogs (as polls showed defiants were the majority)

So most good pvp guilds rolled guardian. It really is this simple. In statistics we call it a trend.

[GoldenTiger]

it's because during beta the good guilds thought

a) there was going to be open world pvp

and

b) wanted to play the underdogs (as polls showed defiants were the majority)

So most good pvp guilds rolled guardian. It really is this simple. In statistics we call it a trend.

Too true, this happened with Warhammer Online with most good ones going Destruction initially. It is indeed a simple concept.

I play on the same grouping. The problem is most definitely you as I win 90% of my BG's as defiant.

Get a premade and dominate.

I don't understand the mentality of not making at least a premade, let alone a static group that goes together every couple of nights with your guild. People seem to think they would have the same odds of winning a warfront as a solo pug queue'er as they would a dungeon with a regular group that they go with every night: i.e. they expect to win without really doing anything. *shrug*

[Erada]

Too true, this happened with Warhammer Online with most good ones going Destruction initially. It is indeed a simple concept.



I don't understand the mentality of not making at least a premade, let alone a static group that goes together every couple of nights with your guild. People seem to think they would have the same odds of winning a warfront as a solo pug queue'er as they would a dungeon with a regular group that they go with every night: i.e. they expect to win without really doing anything. *shrug*

So what you are basically saying is "If you want to win make a premade".

Call me whatever you want, but i just dont see that as a valid reasoning. If it was originally intended to make warfronts a premade-ran feature, it would have been mentioned and accustomed to that. At the moment, all it does is just ruin the fun for everyone not into hardcore pvp and just wanting to enjoy a bit of non-pve action.

While not 100% my original issue, i do agree on the suggestions posted above:
>>> Make premades only able to fight versus premades, and solo queuers versus solo queuers <<<

[GoldenTiger]

So what you are basically saying is "If you want to win make a premade".

Call me whatever you want, but i just dont see that as a valid reasoning. If it was originally intended to make warfronts a premade-ran feature, it would have been mentioned and accustomed to that. At the moment, all it does is just ruin the fun for everyone not into hardcore pvp and just wanting to enjoy a bit of non-pve action.

While not 100% my original issue, i do agree on the suggestions posted above:
>>> Make premades only able to fight versus premades, and solo queuers versus solo queuers <<<

No, what we're saying is that most of the skilled PVP'ers went Guardian, and if you want to have a better chance of winning against enemy premades you're going to need to form a group yourself as well: pug's aren't regarded well, and for good reason.

[Charja]

I do mostly BG and some port scion.

My win rate in BG is roughly 80%, sometimes more in a good day and port scion is 50-60%.... dunno watcha talking about

[PandemicUK]

OP is on a server cluster of:

Whitefall
Either Bloodiron or sagespire
Blightweald


All 3 servers have alot of premade. You dont play as premade then your going to lose. Pretty much all the time. Because your playing against far, far better players than you are.

Unlike in other games you cant whine its due to the other side having better races / classes etc. Because they dont.

Its tough but those premade are simply better at playing pvp than you.

[voidtek1969]

I play on the Tearfall/Faemist/XX Battlegroup(Defiant side, Level 50 - PUG's), and I would like to know 2 things primarily:

1) Where the heck did all the healer classes go? All I see whenever I see healers, are dps'ers. I rarely see a bard. Where did all the healers go? I've tried playing early morning PST as well as early afternoon, and all the way up to midnight. Is it just me or did all the healers vanish, or are they all in pre-mades now?

2) Why does the WF system consistently pit 2x the number of Guardians as there are Defiants? I rarely start a game anymore where the teams are even close to even. I've tried at all times of the day too, it doesn't seem to matter. Am I just unlucky? Generally, the Guardian's will outnumber Defiants 2-1 in pure numbers, as well as the exorbant amount of seemingly botters on Defiant side making it even worse.