So we went from OP wars to OP mages:

[Salom]

is this true? i know you were only joking but there is ex-Mythic people in the Trion studio & tbh... these balance changes & the fact that warrs were so ridiculous until 1.1 kinda hints that it IS the Warhammer people doing this nonsense.

Yeah it gets better too. They dont like mmo's, they dont like fantasy, and I really honestly believe they hate video games in general. They literally spat and crapped all over the warhammer fans cause 'they knew best'. Now the game has 10k subs at the most. How you ruin a 100million dollar project is epic in its own rights. Why do you think they reformed and changed the name to 'Trion'. Yeah we pretty much all saw this coming a mile away. Grab your popcorn for TOR though, that will be a fail story that will live on forever.

[wytchdoctor]

No class in Rift comes close to the brokenness of the now Infamous Bright Wizards of WH

[Vember]

warhammer had the greatest potential, and lies now in a ruin because of the worst game development decisions EVER. now, RIFT, the game has no potential to begin with; i can't even get myself to log on and i'm only lvl 29.

but to know the same guy stands behind this failure, that's funny.

I love this game to be honest, and I play it nonstop when I have free time. However, I already have no hope for the future of pvp in this game because there's far too many former mythic staff with their fingers in the pie. The CC debacle has started exactly like Warhammer did....just the same as class balancing. Its pretty obvious these guys haven't learned from their mistakes. While Rift will be a tremendously awesome pve game, which I think it already is, as far as pvp goes its doomed to repeat the same epic fails that Warhammer did. We're already seeing it happen, like watching a really bad movie for the second time.

[liho1eye]

Who said Mages weren't OP to begin with?
I have 2 r6 mages in my guild. When we were reading patch notes they just laughed. Particular comment comes to mind: "these people are idiots... I love it!"

[Salvitor]

I knew it would happen, but damn if I didn't make a mage for first char lol. I'm a healer fan though so Cleric was a must for me.

Every MMO I've been in the 'GIMPS' within months if not a year or two are the FOTM. All the way back to Sadowbane where Warlocks and Templars were called by these names after months of being labeled Gimplocks and Gimplars. Vanilla WoW said Palys suck, can't DPS! I don't see anyone saying that now. Hell even Warlocks were labeled as gimp, PFFFT! Now, Rift mages. I'm telling you guys if everyne says ClassX sucks, roll ClassX because it will be first in line on Buff A Class Day!

[Ditto]

Yeah it gets better too. They dont like mmo's, they dont like fantasy, and I really honestly believe they hate video games in general. They literally spat and crapped all over the warhammer fans cause 'they knew best'. Now the game has 10k subs at the most. How you ruin a 100million dollar project is epic in its own rights. Why do you think they reformed and changed the name to 'Trion'. Yeah we pretty much all saw this coming a mile away. Grab your popcorn for TOR though, that will be a fail story that will live on forever.

In regards to TOR, I sincerely hope not. While I can't talk about the endgame i did play the beta for 2 weeks up to lvl15 on 2 different characters & I was completely blown away. The 1st couple of lvls were a bit slow since I only had 1 or 2 abilities but around lvl10 it got pretty exciting. I mean, I was excited playing the beta for WAR & figured they would work out all the little bugs that it had but the TOR beta truly knocked my socks off. I got the feeling that I had when I played my 1st mmo & found myself unable to leave my desk for those 2 weeks. All I can do is hope because to me, SW:ToR is the last hope for the mmo genre. I sincerely doubt anything will come out with that big of a budget, that well known of a franchise & been in development as long as it has.

[Danog]

mages have one op ability so far as i know, and that's GoS. nerf it, get it over with and lets get on with the pvp.

Grab your popcorn for TOR though, that will be a fail story that will live on forever.

bioware is known for failure. i mean look at their history, so filled with fail that....they have only hit homeruns.

[June]

Too early nerf, told them to wait at least 3 month so we can see the real big picture of it, but they just threw some half-assed patches in. So freaking tired of fail devs really.

[Heretus]

is this true? i know you were only joking but there is ex-Mythic people in the Trion studio & tbh... these balance changes & the fact that warrs were so ridiculous until 1.1 kinda hints that it IS the Warhammer people doing this nonsense.

anyone that worked in warhammers balance should never ever ever (insert as many nevers here as you wish) work even remotly near any gaming software. Why would anyone hire such a person is beyond me, if the balance goes 1/10 the way warhammer did , it RIFT will have the same fortune as WAR , the balance in warhammer was beyond stupid , Example : bright wizzards are GODlike, X destro class is ... harldy good, Oks buff ip bright wizzards , nerf X destro class to oblivion and repeat.

I sincerely hope that people that work in rift realize their mistake in hiring such a person, boot him and replace him with someone that actually is sane.

Now , many things have been said about WAR and the people that actuallyl made decisions there, and it MIGHT not have been the said persons decisions that compltely beyond any sane reason ruined WAR balance, it might have been some messed boss that simply refused to listen to the dev and just forced him to balance WAR the way it did.

Just IMO this game is extremelly new, and for the MOST part the nerfs/buffs where in the right direction, sure twiking is needed across the board and unessecery buffs/nerfs did make it through , but if future balance goes the warhammer way, i will be very sad to see a game like rift end up liek war.

[Thane9]

I think the fixes to some broken skills on the warrior side were REALLY good.

I think buffing some mage factors at the exact same time...REALLY bad.

One side of an equation should be worked at a time. When there is too much being tweaked you run the risk of what IMHO just happened. No net fix. We just shifted the problem.

/shrug.

It's still not the worst problem in the game. But it does make me concerned about what methodology is being applied to their "balance" patches going forward.

Also, I DESPISE calling these "warrior" and "mage" issues. They were very specific skills within very specific souls. And are currently.

IMHO some Pyro skills are problematic now, the AOE DPS spam + the AOE snares = death in a lot of cases for even well played melees.

I was in some black gardens yesterday with ~7 Pyro's on the opposing side (I think 4/5 of them were a premade). After respawning I could stand up on our side and look out over the battlefield and it was just a mass of slowed toons slogging through what looked like a field of fire. No escape.

[Xvvt]

This morning every warfront I have been in has about 4-5 mages doing about twice the damage as any other class and about 4x the amount of killing blows.

Well, not every warfront, I was in a black garden that had 1 mage on each side. It was a pretty fun game. The two mages still did more damage and had more killing blows, but the fights between wars, rogues, and clerics was pretty fun.

[MadGelo]

This morning every warfront I have been in has about 4-5 mages doing about twice the damage as any other class and about 4x the amount of killing blows.

Well, not every warfront, I was in a black garden that had 1 mage on each side. It was a pretty fun game. The two mages still did more damage and had more killing blows, but the fights between wars, rogues, and clerics was pretty fun.

iv noticed it aswell, not twice damge but over 50% for sure

[xzaar]

Not properly testing patches and releasing broken content. Now I'm told the guys who balanced WAR is balancing Rift. Everything makes sense now. Trion take a look at WAR's history. It was an amazing game with 500,000 subs on release. Because of terrible balancing, it lost half of its subs within the first year. Now the game is on the brink of death. With all that is said, the balance in WAR is pretty good now since these employees are working for you instead. I guess pyros are the new BW protect. That explains the infinite stuns prepatch and god mode this patch.

[Gatt]

I think madgelo should adapt or die?

[MadGelo]

Cool story.

Quit?

quit trolling silly kid