Are you trying to say a guild who plays 18 hours a day, is some how better than a guild who plays 8 hours a day, because they got through progression sooner? I used to belong to some of the biggest hardcore guilds early in my MMO experience, and we were no better.Originally Posted by PhattyQQ
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MMORPG played: Everquest I, Dark Age of Camelot, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Everquest II, Aion, Warhammer Online, and Fallen Earth (BETA only).
We all meet as equals on the battlefield, but we don't leave as such.
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Uhhh... 90% of wow arena players did the minimum games per week to get their points to get gear. blizzard's ****ty deffinition of "active" is pretty much useless.
ANY form of instances pvp damages the game for anyone who likes world pvp. Sorry, but I like my mmo's to have people who are in the world, not their safe pvp instance.
Okay buddy so you're telling me Blood Legion on Illidan is NOT better than any of the guilds that haven't even gotten to Heroic content yet? Just wanna make it clear that that's what your saying... Also, no, the guild who clears more content in less time is better than the guild who takes more time to clear it.
But again, I just want to clarify, Blood Legion is just as good as those guilds who haven't cleared heroic content. Got it. That makes sense. Give me a break man, I shot down your rankings argument, what else do you have ?
Meh, just saw your sig and realized that 90% of the games that you have played are absolutely terrible. I now understand why your view on PvP and PvE is the way it is.
Last edited by PhattyQQ; 03-26-2011 at 04:29 AM.
Go back to WoW kid. You're so used to having easy mode game play, you can't live without it.
MMORPG played: Everquest I, Dark Age of Camelot, Dungeons and Dragons Online, Everquest II, Aion, Warhammer Online, and Fallen Earth (BETA only).
We all meet as equals on the battlefield, but we don't leave as such.
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Can we just stop arena talk. Nobody is ever going to agree on it. Some people hate it. Some don't. If they are going to add it to Rift, then they will add it to rift.
Some people say they'll leave if they put it in, some say they'll leave if they don't. All I can say is if they put in arena they better put in some sort of mass pvp/rvr game as well. Age of Conan's guild city seige stuff was a good idea, just not pulled off well.
Says Pardo:
We didn't engineer the game and classes and balance around it, we just added it on, so it continues to be very difficult to balance. Is WoW a PvE cooperative game, or a competitive PvP game? There's constant pressure on the class balance team, there's pressure on the game itself, and a lot of times players who don't PvP don't understand why their classes are changing. I don't think we ever foresaw how much tuning and tweaking we'd have to do to balance it in that direction.
A pretty candid statement about a pretty controversial topic. It's good to see that Blizzard understands that the implementation of Arenas was a mistake for a game like WoW. Of course, Pardo also says that they can't just axe Arenas completely, at least not yet, so we may be stuck with them for a while. Sorry about your PvE burst damage, guys.
Sounds like a mistake, to me...
I prefer not to have them, but if they must come. ..I don't want the game balanced around them and no special/better gear (if anything that should come form open world PvP). Problem lies in the QQing would be none stop (worse than it is now), if Trion didn't balance around it. Not only does balancing around arena screw up PvE, but other aspects of PvP balance is screwed up, as well.
My question is , if WoW is so awesome with Arenas...why are people crying for Arenas in this game?? Probably has something to do with homogenization and screwing up people's class every other patch. Those of us who didn't like that came, here to get away from it. Those who want it..WoW has it and is that way----->
Play both games, enjoy WoW (if you can) for it tries to do with Arenas (affecting every other aspect of the game) and enjoy Rift for what it does.
I hope Trion does not open that Pandora's Box....
Last edited by Lords0fpain; 03-26-2011 at 11:21 AM.
Did you also know that 82,5% of statistics are made on the spot?
From OP:
"A paltry amount of players play Arena, so it's useless feature.
According to statistics, over 800K+ "active" teams exist in arena just for 2v2 alone in season 8.
Source: http://www.arenajunkies.com/tools/title-calculator/
*By blizzards definition active means, they played at-least 30% and 20 games.
Even if you where to assume that half of them were actually inactive because of the low limitations, that's still over 500k players. Take note this only counting 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 wasn't counted."
Teams don't necessarily equal people. You can have up to 50 toons with 10 on a sever. Players in arena usually have multiple teams across multiple characters (I knew people that did it and planned on doing that myself). It's like a 45 waiting period between matches, so jump on another toon on a different team, while you are waiting (could probably get 2 to 3 others teams in 45 minutes). All brackets, probably have a good amount of the same subscribers jumping between each (different toon, different team). It would be more meaningful, if they had an actual number of subscribers (vs teams) that did active arenas (only blizzard knows that).
And yes, some people do feel compelled to do it just for the gear (major point for me, so not to be face rolled in BGs by Areana junkies). Go check out some WoW forums and see how some classes don't find Arena fun (and definitely don't anymore after Cat came out), but still play it (and some quitting it).
It is PVP; PlayerS vs PlayerS; whereas Arenas are glorified duels.
I enjoyed WoW before cross realm BG's and Arenas. I would even not mind Arenas if they earned nothing since they did nothing to help their faction, or could only use their rewards while in the Arena.
The biggest problem with PVP in so many games is the Me Me Me attitude, whereas it should be We We We as our faction. If every soldier only fought for themselves and ignored their compatriots, they would lose because nobody would follow orders and flanks would not be protected and most of all people would not help each other.
The arena is like sending good soldier to wrestle each other, in the middle of a war.
I don't like mean people, rude people and people who are not nice.
Herp Derp : 1. An expression used when you yourself, has done somthing extremely stupid and dopey. 2. A phrase said by idiotic morons who think they are cooler then they actually are. *Dictionary definition
So you go from attempting to degrade PvP with your claims that ranking doesn't mean anything in MMO's to calling me a kid who is used to having easy mode gameplay. Ahhh... the wonders for people who run out of arguments on forums.
I'm the one who has valid arguments and you're the one calling me names... I wonder who's really the kid here.
Just remember guys! Visions says RANKINGS DONT MEAN ANYTHING IN MMO's!
You bring up interesting points, and I would argue the opposite in regards to rankings - rankings mean too much.
But in regards to "valid" arguments, anyone can say their argument is valid. So long as they present their argument in a coherent manner and it has something to do with the topic and it isn't an obvious "troll" post, then yes, I'd say quite a good number of people present valid arguments.
As for namecalling and whatnot, it happens on both sides. Neither those who are for or against arenas can claim that their side is innocent of namecalling and posting slander.
I do wonder though - aren't we already all here with pre-conceived notions of what we feel should happen? So...Is there really any point to saying why we think the arenas should or should not be instated? My only guess is that Trion might read the post, and the responses it garners, but I don't really have any way of telling.
Last edited by Armyantsrule; 03-26-2011 at 01:44 PM.
Chances are, Trion WON'T read the post. Or they will and they'll just brush it off. Forums are just ways for us to vent our frustrations with the game, not ways for us to get what we want in games. We can say we want this and that but in the end it's only going to be implemented if they can do it without destroying their eventual goals for their game. All I know is that if Trion doesn't implement some sort of PvP goal for the PvP community, they won't lose all of their subs, but they'll lose a pretty hefty amount.
Why are people still making these threads when it is evident Trion will NOT implement an arena system?
Because people (myself included; I am not excluded from this) want to feel we've had our opinions listened to, whether or not anyone asked to hear them. People like to state their stance on topics (sometimes when the topic won't even affect them,but in this case I feel most people involved will be affected by what Trion decides to do or not do).
Typically at higher ratings, at least from my experiences, we'd be fighting the same 15-20 teams the majority of the time. Everyone was courteous for the most part and the only feuds that began were fun and friendly.
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