HOOAH! soldiers and vets roll call!

[Shisa]

USMC(Retired) 1976 - 1996

0311 Infantry
4034 IBM 360 Computer Operator
4066 Small Computer Systems Specilist

(Back before computers merged with Comm.)

Welcome aboard all. Hope to see you in game.

[Theskal]

USMC(Retired) 1976 - 1996

0311 Infantry
4034 IBM 360 Computer Operator
4066 Small Computer Systems Specilist

(Back before computers merged with Comm.)

Welcome aboard all. Hope to see you in game.

sounds almost like the same stretch o' time my uncle served, and for p much the same jobs....except he was Army, heh.

[Zerican]

8 years in the Army. Korea, Fort Campbell ky , kuwait, iraq (2 tours).

Joined the army april 2000
Left the army dec 2008

Honorable discharge. injured
would of made it a career.

[Temptations]

it has nothing to do with having a hard time back home
Its just annoying when people start telling war stories and pretend like they went on a killing spree in iraq with **** Cheney. Its vets in college that have to go out of their way to bring up the fact that they were in the military to the class. And on top of that it is always some non-combat job who thinks their job is import,. :" DERRRRR with out me you wouldn't get supply's DERRRRR'. The military is full or arrogant jerks and most join for the power

is just ****ing annoying.

sorry you feel that way was trying to be nice but excuse me i will make sure i am not any more for your sake .I do not have a combat job ( althought I am in afghanistan) but i do feel my job is as important as any one elses out there and proud of what i do ... This conversation is done.

[Luminatus]

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[zaco]

sorry you feel that way was trying to be nice but excuse me i will make sure i am not any more for your sake .I do not have a combat job ( althought I am in afghanistan) but i do feel my job is as important as any one elses out there and proud of what i do ... This conversation is done.

i didn't mean to quote you sorry.

[MaddBomber83]

it has nothing to do with having a hard time back home
1) Its just annoying when people start telling war stories and pretend like they went on a killing spree in iraq with **** Cheney.
2) Its vets in college that have to go out of their way to bring up the fact that they were in the military to the class.
3) And on top of that it is always some non-combat job who thinks their job is import,. :" DERRRRR with out me you wouldn't get supply's DERRRRR'.
4) The military is full or arrogant jerks and most join for the power

is just ****ing annoying.

Really? I've formated your post a bit to fit with my reply.

1) One thing to keep in mind is that the Military is a highly stressful place. Combat and Non Combat roles are highly stressful. You don't have control of your life and you are performing important functions. People's lives depend on you and messing up can cost them that.
This leads to an environment where Military joke a lot about everything. Humor is a great way to deflect the realities of stress and war. You'll find most Military people would joke about everything, including killing sprees. Why? You have to do what you have to do in the military including taking lives. It is easier to handle blood on your hands if you dehumanize it. Its easier not seeing your families or even having contact with them for months on end if life is full of humor. It is easier working 100+ hours a week for weeks on end when you joke about it.
If you were to have a serious conversation with those jokers one on one I bet you would have a different impression. Some are disturbed, sure, so are people not in the military. Most are not.

2) College and the military are two very different things. Life in the military is very different than life outside of the military. There is such a large difference that military personnel go through a week of training prior to getting out of the military just to learn how you are supposed to act and what is expected on the outside.
It is not surprising that someone getting out of the military will grasp onto every opportunity to relate this new world they live in with the old one they know. It helps ease the transition. It can be hard to relate military experience with civilian life. You'll find the longer they have been out the less they feel the need to relate this world to the military. It never fully dies though.

3) They are right. Another thing to keep in mind is that you are always in danger. What were the people in Fort Worth doing when they died? How many supply convoys get hit with road side bombs? The threat of danger in the military for all positions is always higher than it is for civilians.
As far as importance, yes it is important. I was on a Fast Attack Submarine. A combat vessel. I did not fear bullets. I tried not to think about one 18 year old kid out of high school making a mistake and all 100 of us dieing or being trapped with no hope of rescue. My grandfather was a marine. He would never set foot in my shoes. I would never set foot in his. I have a lot of respect for ground combat units. Its a job I never would want to do. Does that lower the respect or amount of service people who do not get shot at deserve or earned? No. They are different types of respect and one does not take away from the other.

4) Wrong again. Most people that I served with joined so they could pay for college or because their life was going nowhere and they knew they needed to do something about it before it was too late. Are their arrogant types? Yes. Are they the vocal majority? Sure. Same as cops. Same as forum posters. You imply that you are in or went to college yet you still make broad generalizations like this? Why? You should know that any picture is simple of the surface and that a much more complex system can be underneath.

Why are you in this post anyway? I had not intention of joining it either until I saw your misinformed and short sighted rant. I understand it will be hard if not impossible to admit you are wrong on the internet. Please look deeper inside yourself and the world around you so that you do not live the rest of your life with this. Even if you don't admit to it.

~ MM1/SS (R), USS Providence (SSN-719)

[Complication]

wtf zaco man.

when i was in the navy i didnt walk around like i was a god, i saw people like that but a majority of us were just here to do our jobs and enjoy our time in. i had a non-combat job but it was stressful as ****, i hunted subs and did plane guard for carriers that were ******ed and would sail through oil fields, and tracked 20 trillion little dumbass fishermen boats on a radar all day and night. i was stressed out like 24/7 but it was still fun and i dont regret doing it.

im just starting college on the post 9/11 g i bill. and not once have i announced im a veteran or cared too. and the reason why im going to college is because for the last 4 years since ive been out its been impossible to find a job that i can survive on. none of my job qualifications from the navy transfer over to the real world. so its either become homeless or go to school full time and become a teacher like i wanted to a long time ago.

there are arrogant jerks in the military but you can throw us all in the same barrel. thats just ignorant.

come on zaco!

[Luminatus]

With this many soldiers in this game, I almost expect military discipline when I log on :O

Guild Master: ''WHAT THE **** IS THERE A STAIN ON YOUR UNIFORM, MARI?!''
Me: ''Uhhhh, uniform?''
Guild Master: ''DON'T **** ME, PRIVATE! GIVE ME TWENTY LEVELS!''

xD

As a guild master TBH this did cross my mind xD It wouldn't hurt to have physically fit guild members

EDIT: Not to mention it would add a humorous role playing element to the guild. Instead of biting people's heads off and getting all elitist and nerd raging if someone pulls a mob at the wrong moment, just make them do some corrective training and move on. They'll be sure to think twice the next time and pay attention to detail

[Entropy]

Thank you ALL for serving!
I myself did not serve but am a proud supporter of
http://oathkeepers.org

[ultimt1]

USMC 0331 11yrs, had other mos's also, but that was main one.
was stationed on a couple of navy bases during that time.
grew up around air force bases, dad did 26 yrs in air force.

i think it woud be fair to say ive been around a couple of different military cultures.
been out for 10 yrs now, ive had alot of time for reflection since then. i am not speaking for anyone here, nor will i try to, but there are things about the Marine Corps, and the Marine Corps infantry specifically that others who havent been cannot understand. it literally is a way of life. .

so, before anymore flaming goes on, just realize there will always be opinions and that some people just dont relate to each other because of different cultures. because it IS a different culture.

by no means am i trying to take away from any other branch, job or military profession.

[feenix]

USMC 0311/0933, 2/2 Golf CO, 2/2 H&S STA, 2 pumps iraq, 1 MEU - Best of times, worst of times....

Glory hounds suck and most grunts hate them (due to most glory hounds haven't really sacrificed ****, other than a little bit of time). Take off your f'ing cammies at the airport already, you nasties.

[Narb]

Really? I've formated your post a bit to fit with my reply.
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I agree completely with your post.

Most people who have never experienced "the army experience" have trouble understanding the mental requirements of even peace time service. At this point I should clarify that I have never deployed anywhere, but served a year in the Finnish Army. During that time about 95% of every day social interaction was towards army buddies or army personnel, so I think I can understand what deployed troops may experience during their tours. The mental requirements of adapting to strict rules, following orders and being able to fight in any conditions (mainly harsh winters and muddy springs here) is something that shapes your mind whole different tone than an average go-to-college-drink-beer persons who simply have never had to experience cold, hunger, extreme conditions and close to no sleep. The mental requirements and their relation to fitting back to "normal" society is usually neglected. Even I had short time difficulties in adapting back to normal life where I could do as I please.

Some people might feel that they cant fit back. A friend of mine left for a Kosovo tour straight after compulsory service, returned and tried to adapt back but decided to take a tour to Chad. Now he is planning to deploy for a year in Afghanistan. He told me that after actually deploying (he has no family of his own yet) its harder and harder to fit back in. Even though ISAF/KFOR/inserNATOabbreviation is not a direct combat troop, they still have to face the risks of war.

What I have thought in the wake of Operation Iraqi Freedom is that our biggest threat is The Yellow Nation (politically correct, also known as Russia) and if they decided to invade, we would be in the same situation as Iraqi army facing US invasion. Could I actually perform now that I've almost completely lost my military mindset into computer games, girls and beer? This is a question suitable for civilian persons, back in the army I would have said "Show me where they'll come from".

My training? Urban Warfare specialized mobile infantry, NCO. Wartime deployment plan secret, as for all other finns .

-N

PS. Soldiers, Vets and Reservists roll call please!

[zaco]

Really? I've formated your post a bit to fit with my reply.

1) One thing to keep in mind is that the Military is a highly stressful place. Combat and Non Combat roles are highly stressful. You don't have control of your life and you are performing important functions. People's lives depend on you and messing up can cost them that.
This leads to an environment where Military joke a lot about everything. Humor is a great way to deflect the realities of stress and war. You'll find most Military people would joke about everything, including killing sprees. Why? You have to do what you have to do in the military including taking lives. It is easier to handle blood on your hands if you dehumanize it. Its easier not seeing your families or even having contact with them for months on end if life is full of humor. It is easier working 100+ hours a week for weeks on end when you joke about it.
If you were to have a serious conversation with those jokers one on one I bet you would have a different impression. Some are disturbed, sure, so are people not in the military. Most are not.

2) College and the military are two very different things. Life in the military is very different than life outside of the military. There is such a large difference that military personnel go through a week of training prior to getting out of the military just to learn how you are supposed to act and what is expected on the outside.
It is not surprising that someone getting out of the military will grasp onto every opportunity to relate this new world they live in with the old one they know. It helps ease the transition. It can be hard to relate military experience with civilian life. You'll find the longer they have been out the less they feel the need to relate this world to the military. It never fully dies though.

3) They are right. Another thing to keep in mind is that you are always in danger. What were the people in Fort Worth doing when they died? How many supply convoys get hit with road side bombs? The threat of danger in the military for all positions is always higher than it is for civilians.
As far as importance, yes it is important. I was on a Fast Attack Submarine. A combat vessel. I did not fear bullets. I tried not to think about one 18 year old kid out of high school making a mistake and all 100 of us dieing or being trapped with no hope of rescue. My grandfather was a marine. He would never set foot in my shoes. I would never set foot in his. I have a lot of respect for ground combat units. Its a job I never would want to do. Does that lower the respect or amount of service people who do not get shot at deserve or earned? No. They are different types of respect and one does not take away from the other.

4) Wrong again. Most people that I served with joined so they could pay for college or because their life was going nowhere and they knew they needed to do something about it before it was too late. Are their arrogant types? Yes. Are they the vocal majority? Sure. Same as cops. Same as forum posters. You imply that you are in or went to college yet you still make broad generalizations like this? Why? You should know that any picture is simple of the surface and that a much more complex system can be underneath.

Why are you in this post anyway? I had not intention of joining it either until I saw your misinformed and short sighted rant. I understand it will be hard if not impossible to admit you are wrong on the internet. Please look deeper inside yourself and the world around you so that you do not live the rest of your life with this. Even if you don't admit to it.

~ MM1/SS (R), USS Providence (SSN-719)

1) what does that have to do with *****s telling war stories? please you worked on a ship.
2) they have to tell everyone they are in the military why?
3) thats right, always in danger, you have more of chance of dieing on I-95 then you do in the military (non combat roles of course)
4) the exact reason why todays military is a joke. But then again you work on a ship, so you wouldn't understand
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Why did you even post, We where talking about how people in the military are D bags and have to everyone under the sun that they are in the military so they can get a hand shake and a free beer. then we concluded on how non-combat roles do this the most and will defend their job to the death no matter what **** comes out of their mouthes. THANK you for proving me right.

[Theskal]

Wow. I'm gonna have to agree with zaco. But i'm not gonna go into any details or anything, because it doesn't matter. I just wish for once people would just drop their egos-ALL OF US, ME INCLUDED, and just do a damn roll call.

ok? please? can we just have some civility in these forums for once?