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    Default New Warrior Soul in Expansion should be a Ranged DPS Soul

    Warriors, like the other classes, will be getting a new Soul in the Storm Legion expansion pack. I wanted to provide feedback on on what would be a useful soul.

    Things warriors DO NOT NEED:
    1) A Healing soul (note: Daglar has already said we are not getting a healing soul)
    2) A Support soul

    Things warriors DO NEED:
    1) A full dps ranged soul

    Why don't warriors need a support soul? Because support souls are only useful in very specific situations. Today Rift has two main support souls: Bard (rogue) and Archon (mage)

    Let's look at typical uses of a support soul:
    1) 5 man dungeons - it's very rare to see a full Bard or Archon in a dungeon. So a warrior support soul is likely to be as useless.
    2) 10 man raids - I can't recall ever seeing an Archon in a 10-man. Most folks use a Bard, or no support at all (think DH/GP)
    3) 20 man raids - Both Bard and Archon are needed in 10-man raids. But after dedicating 10% of your raid to support, no one is going to have a dedicated warrior support person unless they bring some OMG SO AWESOME capabilities to the raid, which is 99.9% unlikely to ever happen. If Trion ever builds a warrior support soul it will look like mongrel mix of Warlord and Beastmaster capabiliites that will be useless in a raid if you already have a Bard and Archon.

    So what do warriors need? Ranged DPS, Ranged DPS, Ranged DPS. Rift has been and will always be, biased against melee dps. All the other dps classes can do FULL dps at ranged and at melee. Warriors can't and that is what needs fixing.

    Clerics - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps (some souls)
    Rogues - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps (some souls)
    Mages - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps
    Warriors - Can stand between 0 and 3m and do full dps, beyond 3m warriors do LOL dps

    Warriors get the short end of the stick everytime since we are only melee dps. A new ranged dps soul with the new expansion is the right time and right way to fix it.
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    I'd like a ranged soul more than a support soul. However, many rogues panties will be in bunches if it's tuned anywhere near marksman or ranger. Then, again, their top melee spec is more dps than our melee spec, so I would be okay with it being competitive with the top Ranger spec. You know, for the lulz and zyzyz tears.
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    New soul - ranged
    Or healing. That would be interesting to see. I'd even roll a warrior to check it out. Or melee healing like a warrior version of chloromancer.

    And make Warlord a real support soul, god.
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    Eurgh, get thee behind phony warrior imitators.

    I'd rather have a support spec like bard, or even a shielding (heals) spec, before I was bad enough to want a ranged dps soul, seriously, just go play any other class.
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    Ranged soul x10, as already stated, support soul would be pointless, no to a healing soul, please not another useless melee or tanking soul.
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    Agreed. It should be and if I had to guess I'd bet it will be.
    Add crossbows in to the game and make the new warrior soul a crossbow user. Keeps itemization separate from rogues, and works with the big hitting slow gcd style of warriors.

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    Trion has had many opportunities to give Riftblade/Paragon viable ranged capabilities. But a few dozen nerfs to flamespear and even more to fiery burst this is very unlikely to change.


    It will probably be a new tanking soul.
    Last edited by Cammyle; 05-31-2012 at 04:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaiana View Post
    Eurgh, get thee behind phony warrior imitators.

    I'd rather have a support spec like bard, or even a shielding (heals) spec, before I was bad enough to want a ranged dps soul, seriously, just go play any other class.
    Well, it ain't going to be a heal soul, and I very much doubt a support soul. So...Captain Obvious says...?

    Yes, that's right, the only other possibility. Unless, they go really off the walls crazy and add something else to the holy trinity.

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    It's time for warriors to take their rightful place at the top of the ranged dps charts
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    Remember Dominator is another kind of support soul. They could add a CC soul for warriors
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrinnz View Post
    Remember Dominator is another kind of support soul. They could add a CC soul for warriors
    lol

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    The new axe throwing warrior class will look something like this...matching outfits not included. http://www.georgianationalfair.com/f...xe-Women-1.jpg
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    I'd rather see a Support soul, personally. The hybrid options will be much better and it will have more synergy with our other souls.

    Mainly I want to see Warriors get a third role.

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    I just have one question: If warriors were given a competitive ranged DPS soul, wouldn't that effectively trivialize every single anti-melee mechanic currently in the game, and make the implementation of future, similar mechanics entirely pointless, creating a game where raid leaders who allow melee outside of very specific fights are considered incompetent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajax1114 View Post
    I just have one question: If warriors were given a competitive ranged DPS soul, wouldn't that effectively trivialize every single anti-melee mechanic currently in the game, and make the implementation of future, similar mechanics entirely pointless, creating a game where raid leaders who allow melee outside of very specific fights are considered incompetent?
    No, it would be a preference at that point. Believe it or not, some warriors play warrior because they like melee. A support soul, in my opinion, would be a giant F*CK YOU to the warrior community.

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