New Warrior Soul in Expansion should be a Ranged DPS Soul

[DemonRage]

I propose the ranged warrior soul be similar to paragon, DW honey badgers and throw them at peoples faces.

2 shot Ituziel by hurling honey badgers at him:

ITUZIEL: "NOT THE FACE! NOT THE FACE!!! ARRRRGGGGHHH!!"

[intrinsc]

I propose the ranged warrior soul be similar to paragon, DW honey badgers and throw them at peoples faces.

2 shot Ituziel by hurling honey badgers at him:

ITUZIEL: "NOT THE FACE! NOT THE FACE!!! ARRRRGGGGHHH!!"

Nah, bro, you gotta go for those butts. He has been working them hard and if you take them away he will fall just like taking a guido's hair/tan.

[TheGrinnz]

No, it would be a preference at that point. Believe it or not, some warriors play warrior because they like melee. A support soul, in my opinion, would be a giant F*CK YOU to the warrior community.

sorry the proper term is "slap in the face"

[Wulf9]

I just have one question: If warriors were given a competitive ranged DPS soul, wouldn't that effectively trivialize every single anti-melee mechanic currently in the game, and make the implementation of future, similar mechanics entirely pointless, creating a game where raid leaders who allow melee outside of very specific fights are considered incompetent?

Such mechanics can currently be trivialized by not bringing any warriors.

[intrinsc]

sorry the proper term is "slap in the face"

Man, I hate that term as much as the politically correct 'african american'.

[Sergeantkeys]

Support range soul ?

Hey, I can dream goddamit !

[Sebb]

Only if such ranged warrior is like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZiQVaHxVw


Seriously though, a lancer type that specializes in polearms would be cool.

[Blayden]

I agree - I think a true ranged soul would be a great addition for Warriors. Perhaps they could make it a pistoleer type like they have in Warhammer. Pistol in main hand and sword in off-hand. Pistols could be itemized for Warriors and not compete with Rogues using rifles and bows.

As much as I would love to see this I doubt it will be implemented that way. Still, I'm excited to see what they have in mind.

[TheGrinnz]

they could call it a bard!

... or a warlord!

... damn it.

[intrinsc]

they could call it a bard!

... or a warlord!

... damn it.

Lardbord??

[Ajax1114]

No, it would be a preference at that point. Believe it or not, some warriors play warrior because they like melee. A support soul, in my opinion, would be a giant F*CK YOU to the warrior community.

Eh, I think you underestimate the lengths some people will go to in "being the best." If by preference, you mean "this fight is melee friendly, melee time" and vice-versa, I could see it, but I can't see many warriors going melee on a fight that has anti-melee mechanics (even "move out" stuff like on Warboss Drak). My main is not a warrior, so I won't be shedding any tears regardless, but I think it's a little sweeping to say that a support soul would be an insult to the warrior community.

I see warriors all the time talking about how they'd like to have another role they can fill.

Such mechanics can currently be trivialized by not bringing any warriors.

I just knew someone would pull this one out.

[Hyperion5182]

Warriors, like the other classes, will be getting a new Soul in the Storm Legion expansion pack. I wanted to provide feedback on on what would be a useful soul.

Things warriors DO NOT NEED:
1) A Healing soul (note: Daglar has already said we are not getting a healing soul)
2) A Support soul

Things warriors DO NEED:
1) A full dps ranged soul

Why don't warriors need a support soul? Because support souls are only useful in very specific situations. Today Rift has two main support souls: Bard (rogue) and Archon (mage)

Let's look at typical uses of a support soul:
1) 5 man dungeons - it's very rare to see a full Bard or Archon in a dungeon. So a warrior support soul is likely to be as useless.
2) 10 man raids - I can't recall ever seeing an Archon in a 10-man. Most folks use a Bard, or no support at all (think DH/GP)
3) 20 man raids - Both Bard and Archon are needed in 10-man raids. But after dedicating 10% of your raid to support, no one is going to have a dedicated warrior support person unless they bring some OMG SO AWESOME capabilities to the raid, which is 99.9% unlikely to ever happen. If Trion ever builds a warrior support soul it will look like mongrel mix of Warlord and Beastmaster capabiliites that will be useless in a raid if you already have a Bard and Archon.

So what do warriors need? Ranged DPS, Ranged DPS, Ranged DPS. Rift has been and will always be, biased against melee dps. All the other dps classes can do FULL dps at ranged and at melee. Warriors can't and that is what needs fixing.

Clerics - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps (some souls)
Rogues - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps (some souls)
Mages - Can stand between 0 and 30m and do full dps
Warriors - Can stand between 0 and 3m and do full dps, beyond 3m warriors do LOL dps

Warriors get the short end of the stick everytime since we are only melee dps. A new ranged dps soul with the new expansion is the right time and right way to fix it.

I'm in total disagreement on this.

A ranged DPS soul is very nice but would require an entire new level of itemization without wrecking the current model. It also would have VERY limited versatility and basically require a combination of Rift blade Para and That soul. No others would work. I dont like the idea of the ranged DPS soul PURELY.

I'm hoping that this comes with a number of changes for warrior one of the keys being Warlord becoming a true Support Soul rather tank. There are a lot of things that can happen here that i think NEED to happen.

I've been hoping kinda for a Combat Medic type healer, not a cleric, not a Chloro, someone who can bring someone back into the fight fast and keep a tank alive mid battle. A healer that could allow the tank to go past zero hp for a short time and be right back in it while the clerics and chloros recover mana. The guy who can save the ***** of people in the middle of a melee estrode fight. That could remove mind controll and still bring respectable deeps if specced right. A number of things a Combat Medic could do properly that wouldnt take the pure hps spotlight off the Cleric and Mage but still leave them a viable resource for a number of situations.

Right now the worst thing that could happen is a soul that doesn't expand the warrior's available roles. And ranged DPS despite what you believe would NOT expand a warrior DPS role. Just like i'm hoping i dont see a PURE mage tank soul i dont want to see a PURE ranged DPS soul. Warriors need more than just Tank and DPS. If a ranged soul happens then warriors would HAVE to be the PURE top of the DPS charts. If we're less than 500 dps behind the other ranged classes then there's a problem in my opinion. Warriors have never been this way in MMO's and shouldnt be now. Do not let the current format of ID bring your eyes to a bad path. This can be fixed in a number of ways if trion's willing to make it happen.

One: Bring Riftblade to a true Ranged soul give it the buffs to make it work and let it do the solid dps it should be capable of. Not Mage level, but solid.

Two: Modify Paragon: There are several ranged abilites in paragon that should have 30 Meter range,

Three: Warlord: If warlord's going to be moved to support soul status add in things that augment a warrior's range OR ranged attacks.

This expansion is going to RADICALLY alter the game landscape. And a TON of balance testing is going to be required. And that's without the 4 souls. Every setup we use currently isnt going to mean a DAMN once this comes out.

We need to be prepared for an entirely new paradigm with level 60's running around and i think part of that has to be an expansion on what a warrior can DO. If a warrior after this expansion is still DPS/Tank ONLY there's going to be a long term problem with how this game works.

I respect your opinion op but i believe you're wrong and missing a bigger picture here. Ranged DPS would be very cool but it would not solve larger issues and it would require a massive change in itemization.

[Sebb]

I'm in total disagreement on this.

A ranged DPS soul is very nice but would require an entire new level of itemization without wrecking the current model. It also would have VERY limited versatility and basically require a combination of Rift blade Para and That soul. No others would work. I dont like the idea of the ranged DPS soul PURELY.

I'm hoping that this comes with a number of changes for warrior one of the keys being Warlord becoming a true Support Soul rather tank. There are a lot of things that can happen here that i think NEED to happen.

I've been hoping kinda for a Combat Medic type healer, not a cleric, not a Chloro, someone who can bring someone back into the fight fast and keep a tank alive mid battle. A healer that could allow the tank to go past zero hp for a short time and be right back in it while the clerics and chloros recover mana. The guy who can save the ***** of people in the middle of a melee estrode fight. That could remove mind controll and still bring respectable deeps if specced right. A number of things a Combat Medic could do properly that wouldnt take the pure hps spotlight off the Cleric and Mage but still leave them a viable resource for a number of situations.

Right now the worst thing that could happen is a soul that doesn't expand the warrior's available roles. And ranged DPS despite what you believe would NOT expand a warrior DPS role. Just like i'm hoping i dont see a PURE mage tank soul i dont want to see a PURE ranged DPS soul. Warriors need more than just Tank and DPS. If a ranged soul happens then warriors would HAVE to be the PURE top of the DPS charts. If we're less than 500 dps behind the other ranged classes then there's a problem in my opinion. Warriors have never been this way in MMO's and shouldnt be now. Do not let the current format of ID bring your eyes to a bad path. This can be fixed in a number of ways if trion's willing to make it happen.

One: Bring Riftblade to a true Ranged soul give it the buffs to make it work and let it do the solid dps it should be capable of. Not Mage level, but solid.

Two: Modify Paragon: There are several ranged abilites in paragon that should have 30 Meter range,

Three: Warlord: If warlord's going to be moved to support soul status add in things that augment a warrior's range OR ranged attacks.

This expansion is going to RADICALLY alter the game landscape. And a TON of balance testing is going to be required. And that's without the 4 souls. Every setup we use currently isnt going to mean a DAMN once this comes out.

We need to be prepared for an entirely new paradigm with level 60's running around and i think part of that has to be an expansion on what a warrior can DO. If a warrior after this expansion is still DPS/Tank ONLY there's going to be a long term problem with how this game works.

I respect your opinion op but i believe you're wrong and missing a bigger picture here. Ranged DPS would be very cool but it would not solve larger issues and it would require a massive change in itemization.

I don't know you, but i like you.

[Hyperion5182]

I'm a guy who's beta tested and played melee dps/warriors for a very long time in a number of formats.

The debate of this could shape what Trion does. And i think while the OP's view is valid it doesnt look at a bigger picture.

Main Character is on Faeblight: Alvahex. I do whatever research i can thanks to your help and the help of others. I cant do the testing you guys do i just dont have that kind of time to invest. But i do have my own image of the Warrior Calling and what it should look like. Lets get a real debate on this subject going. Because right now is the time to tell trion what WE want.

[intrinsc]

I'm a guy who's beta tested and played melee dps/warriors for a very long time in a number of formats.

The debate of this could shape what Trion does. And i think while the OP's view is valid it doesnt look at a bigger picture.

Main Character is on Faeblight: Alvahex. I do whatever research i can thanks to your help and the help of others. I cant do the testing you guys do i just dont have that kind of time to invest. But i do have my own image of the Warrior Calling and what it should look like. Lets get a real debate on this subject going. Because right now is the time to tell trion what WE want.

Exactly what change in itemization would it require?