Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but I am a little brain-dead from marathonning before general release.What was the name of the GM you dealt with, and on which server?
GMs are usually not exactly key technical experts and if they fail at customer service (as the GM in this case has spectacularly failed), they have failed at their jobs and deserve to be called out.
If the story is true I hope the decision gets reverted and the GM loses their job. Something like disbanding a guild shouldn't be done from only hearing one side of the story. Ideally the GM should have just left things as is or decided that no guilds on that shard can have that guild name, but almost never should the guild name be given to the larger group that shows up later.
IF ITS TRUE (which it very well may not be and this may just be a troll) - however - IF ITS TRUE:
Then surely this "big guild" whoever they are should also be called out and blamed here? They changed servers, they knew their name was gone, and so they petitioned and wove some cunning pack of lies about how their name had been stolen.
UNLESS - this is a very very well known guild, who have a big reputation to protect, and have some sort of official copyright over the name (which I doubt lol).
But yeah, IF ITS TRUE, then first come first served and the GM (not trion, the GM) should have known better.
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Poor form if this is true. *Maybe* with a copyright issue, otherwise, no.
I'd be interested in the outcome.
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I think the GM was wrong for doing this if that is true, who ever gets the name first keeps it. The Game Master should be fired for taking sides in the first place.Originally Posted by nacus
Black mark for Trion!
Never mind reputation.
Assuming the details are right, the only way the big group should have rights to the name is if it's trademarked. Period. Even then only when presenting that information to the smaller group in audience with a GM.
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It doesn't really sound like a troll. It sounds perfectly plausible given that GMs are probably deluged with complaints about queues at the moment, and they're likely to embrace every opportunity to appease a large and well-known guild at the expense of the little guy. That's not a criticism on Trion, that's the business world.
Also, copyrights are entirely different from trademarks in both registration and enforcement. It's not the nitpicky "libel/slander" difference that some may dimly remember from high school, it's a totally different concept and subject to totally different laws. For some reason this comes up all the time in MMOs. You can't copyright a name, never ever.
Looking at what happened it actually looks like the guild themselves just reported your guild name as 'offensive' (for whatever reason) and then re-took it the moment you go disbanded.
If it was the goon squad, then that explains that also ;)
Guild names aren't first come first serve. A well-known guild, especially sponsored ones, will always have a higher priority, even more so if the developer has heard of them. All they really have to do is accuse the existing one for impersonation or griefing, then show they own rights to "guildname.com" or something.
If the guild was Goon Squad, aren't they that massive zerg guild that makes you pay for membership? They usually zerg every game that comes out.
Hi guys, my name is Ralph. Ralph is a name given to me from birth. I so dearly love my mother and father for being blessing me with this name.
One day, I started school, I was happy and excited that I'm going to meet new people. I've asked around what're their names so I can get to know them better. Then it struck me. Another person has the same name as me.
I argued with him as to why does he have the same name as me. Shenanigans I tell you, the fool stole my name and it was given to me by my beloved parents and no one should have it - only me.
Thank you for reading my diary of my life.
Love,
Ralph - the other guy who have stole your name.
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You can copy-write groups like company names though, this wouldn't be a name necessarily.
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Never mind, i misunderstood what i was thinking :P
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No, you can't. You can trademark them, and trademarks are only applicable when consumers might reasonably confused by the similarity of two organizations' similar names. This may very well apply in the case of video game guilds (I would love to see that go to court one day, for the lulz) but it is NOT THE SAME THING AS COPYRIGHT.
Copyright protects original expression. Not names. Names are trademarked. If you name your character Pepsi then Pepsi-Cola has a legal right to come after you (as they have other MMO-players in the past; no, seriously). That is branding, not expression. This is really basic stuff, people.
Yeah sorry, look at the post right before the quote.
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Fair enough, my reply was posted before I saw your response. We cool, bro? /terroristfistbump
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