DPS Meter Poll Results. Trion, The community does not want them.

[Whistler85]

(Poll can be found here http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...-I-made-a-Poll!)

Trion,

With a Sample size big enough to represent 50,000 Players:

68% Do Not want DPS meters in this game. (Be it 3rd party or developed specifically by Trion)

25% Do want DPS meters in this game.

7% Had no opinion.

There are the hard numbers.

The only question left is, should Trion strictly follow the majority or do they find a way to accommodate 25% of their player base.

My personal thought is this:

DPS Meters that are not spammable to chat and that look at the sole individuals DPS (not the groups or the raids) and is not real time (I.E. a function of the UI that you can bring up like a character window that requires you hit an update button to review the current data).

[Rottweiler-STi]

couple reason this fails pretty hard, first of all the invites to the poll were not random.

second people who are against something are much more apt to vote against said thing than those who are for it.

third the poll is through the forums, where there is no connection to if the person is actually planning on playing RIFT or not. In addition forums make up a very small sub-section of the gaming population and generally consist of those who are unhappy with something, thus on the forums to complain, which goes back to the 2nd point that people against something are more apt to vote.

[Whistler85]

Anyone else have constructive ideas how to handle this situation rather than a flat out Yes / No?

If people can see there own DPS but cant show it to others, then I think that solves the problem of being able to min/max your character and prevents the other issues so many are concerned with.

[Goryus]

Yes, I have constructive criticism.

50,000 votes on a poll like tis means that the majority of them were done via bots. Ergo, poll results qualify as both useless AND ironic.

[Stormbow]

... With a Sample size big enough to represent 50,000 Players ...

LMFAO @ 383 votes = 50,000 players. "Cool story bro" seems appropriate here.

I voted no, however.

[Whistler85]

couple reason this fails pretty hard, first of all the invites to the poll were not random.

second people who are against something are much more apt to vote against said thing than those who are for it.

third the poll is through the forums, where there is no connection to if the person is actually planning on playing RIFT or not. In addition forums make up a very small sub-section of the gaming population and generally consist of those who are unhappy with something, thus on the forums to complain, which goes back to the 2nd point that people against something are more apt to vote.

This is what people say when polls don't go there way. The thread had over 1000 views, the poll had 380 votes. I didn't give the link to anyone not in the game.


The invites to the poll were very random. It was open to everyone on the forums for a couple hours while DPS Meter threads were getting discussion from both sides.

Random people who don't play Rift were not voting in this poll.

Nice try though.

[Stormbow]

Anyone else have constructive ideas how to handle this situation rather than a flat out Yes / No?

If people can see there own DPS but cant show it to others, then I think that solves the problem of being able to min/max your character and prevents the other issues so many are concerned with.

The only way that's going to happen is if someone from the M.I.B. comes in and flashy thingies everyone after they see their DPS.

[Whistler85]

Yes, I have constructive criticism.

50,000 votes on a poll like tis means that the majority of them were done via bots. Ergo, poll results qualify as both useless AND ironic.

There were a little over 380 votes. That represents a sample size of 50,000. Yay math!

[Hackiedoodle]

That isn't even 400 players...

[SimpsonsParadox]

I hate to break it to everyone, but if Trion listened to the Official Rift Forums community the game would fail. This isn't unique to Rift; taking whatever advice an official board gives you and doing the exact opposite is pretty much a sure fire way to make a significantly better way than listening to 'the community'.

Not to mention the 'ban DPS meters' people have already lost. Rift has a built in combat parser. It may take people exiting the game, but if you're holding your raid back people are still going to find out.

-edit- To put fancier words on Rottweiler said: You don't have a SRS, the poll had a heavy response bias (only people who feel strongly would respond), and this is just a shot in the dark but I'm willing to guess you also had a wonderful non-response rate.

-edit 2- This is why basic statistics need to be taught as a required course in High School. 383 being a representative of 50,000 players only works if you have an unbiased sample. You do not have an unbiased sample.

[Whistler85]

LMFAO @ 383 votes = 50,000 players. "Cool story bro" seems appropriate here.

I voted no, however.

Again, Google a sample size calculator. 380 votes represents a sample size of 50,000 people with a 5% margin of error.

[Rottweiler-STi]

This is what people say when polls don't go there way. The thread had over 1000 views, the poll had 380 votes. I didn't give the link to anyone not in the game.


The invites to the poll were very random. It was open to everyone on the forums for a couple hours while DPS Meter threads were getting discussion from both sides.

Random people who don't play Rift were not voting in this poll.

Nice try though.

1. views aren't unique, you probably accounted for 100 of them yourself
2. 380 votes and 1000 views further proves #1
3. the point was not about linking to the poll but the fact anybody can make an account on these forums whether they are in beta or not or whether they are planning on playing the game or not. So you have 380 votes and 50 of those people might have no plans on ever playing rift.
4. Your thread title said "i made a poll" uh... yea... great thread title, that surely brought in a good cross section of players concerned with dps meters rofl
5. 50,000 players really? oh wow, that's like such a good sample size for a game that wil likely have 750,000+ players, oh wait no it's not, at all.

[Thard]

I see no reason for these DPS meters, but if some like them why not include it as an option that can be toggled on/off?

[Sensational]

(Poll can be found here http://forums.riftgame.com/showthrea...-I-made-a-Poll!)

Trion,

With a Sample size big enough to represent 50,000 Players:

68% Do Not want DPS meters in this game. (Be it 3rd party or developed specifically by Trion)

25% Do want DPS meters in this game.

7% Had no opinion.

There are the hard numbers.

The only question left is, should Trion strictly follow the majority or do they find a way to accommodate 25% of their player base.

My personal thought is this:

DPS Meters that are not spammable to chat and that look at the sole individuals DPS (not the groups or the raids) and is not real time (I.E. a function of the UI that you can bring up like a character window that requires you hit an update button to review the current data).

You don't want DPS meters? Don't use them, don't group with people who use them, don't join a guild that uses them. This ******ry about "not letting other people have it because I don't want to have it" is absurd, and incredibly selfish.

[Alvinor]

couple reason this fails pretty hard, first of all the invites to the poll were not random.

second people who are against something are much more apt to vote against said thing than those who are for it.

third the poll is through the forums, where there is no connection to if the person is actually planning on playing RIFT or not. In addition forums make up a very small sub-section of the gaming population and generally consist of those who are unhappy with something, thus on the forums to complain, which goes back to the 2nd point that people against something are more apt to vote.

First, the invites were pretty random.

Second, based on what logical argument you state that people who are against will tend to vote more than people that are for it? Have you seem the threads discussing it? It's pretty active on both sides, whereas you can pretty much tell that the "NO ADDON" side has much more people.

Third, again, based on what raw data did you draw this conclusion? Forums are only for people who are unhappy with something? I'm not unhappy and I'm here. I have no idea what you're talking about. I do agree though, that the number of people who took the poll is too small to be taken as a bsis for a decision as big as this. However, I personally feel that we should see maybe about 65/35 or some variation of that should the poll be taken by the majority of the players...

I personally think: NO, NO ADDONS. Basically because the quantimization kills the fun factor. Players become numbers on a sheet or graphic, and every classe quickly gets only one or two "allowed" builds because they are proven to obtain higher damage outputs.