Tanking while mentored is broken

[ndub]

Leveling a cleric, he's 35, queue for random normal dungeon as mentor and I get Darkening Deeps. Mentor drops my HP to about 1615, turn on Mien of Leadership and it goes up to 1795, swap in my 48 endurance core and it goes up to 1858. Everything starts to go south, someone leaves, and we get a warrior tank who is level 25 without the mentor. He has about 3000 hp without a source core at all, lots of outdated gear, etc.

This isn't a gripe about class disparity or anything, but I believe something is totally broken with the way mentor calculates HP, like it's putting some really harsh diminishing returns on HP increases. This makes it pretty much impossible to tank leveling dungeons while mentored. Adding more HP doesn't fix the problem, in fact it just makes it harder to stack more HP.

Here's some numbers (with 48 end core on):
Level 35, no mentor, no tank stance: 2989 hp
Level 35, no mentor, with tank stance: 4735
Level 25, with mentor, no tank stance: 1732
Level 25, with mentor, with tank stance: 1858
" without 48 endurance core: 1795

So the core is giving me all of ~70 hp, tank stance is good for a whopping ~170. This is probably contributing to the ridiculously long leveling dungeon queues, at times it can take a full hour on my cleric, on one of the most populous shards.

I've /bugged this ingame but this really warrants a hotfix so I posted it here. Hopefully it's a known issue with a fix in the pipeline already but a cursory glance didn't show anything.

[the_real_seebs]

Oooh, that's an interesting observation -- the game is probably calculating your real total, then applying diminishing returns, when it probably ought to be calculating your health excluding the tank aura, then applying diminishing returns, then applying the tank aura. Of course, that'd only work for riftstalkers and justicars, I suppose? I seem to recall that warrior tanks tend to be always-on.

[ndub]

Makes sense. My 50 warrior (crap gear, crap tank spec) goes from 10,089 hp to 3099, which is about where it should be.

So yeah, mentor's not accounting for mien of leadership and probably guardian phase. Good detective work.

[Krunkatron]

Thanks for the heads up ndub! This is on our list of issues to address with mentoring.

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[the_real_seebs]

Makes sense. My 50 warrior (crap gear, crap tank spec) goes from 10,089 hp to 3099, which is about where it should be.

So yeah, mentor's not accounting for mien of leadership and probably guardian phase. Good detective work.

It was actually purely idle speculation.

[Turrant]

It was actually purely idle speculation.

But you code things! you automaticly have an advantage to figureing out where it may have gone wrong since you have firsthand experience with how coding works and whatnot.

Just giving you a hard time.

[Hawkmoon0028]

Yeah, my cleric tank is 50, full HK mark set (non-relic) with an Endurance seal and BiS tanking sigil... and my HP lands somewhere around 5.3k@ lv 41-42ish.... which is beyond ridiculous.

Glad to know it wasn't just my imagination, and that this issue is being looked into. Hopefully we get a fix soon!

[xanduin246]

either ive had some amazing healers, or it doesnt affect guardian phase

ive managed to tank dungeons ranging from IT to LH as a mentored down tank just fine

great its being fixed for whatever souls are having the issue though

[dbe]

either ive had some amazing healers, or it doesnt affect guardian phase

It's easy to tell, if you've got less health than the dps in your group, it's bugged. Especially when you're mentoring down in runed purples with a full source engine and they have leveling greens, no trinket, etc.

[terran698]

figured i'd contribute some info from the riftstalker side of things. but yeah at low levels i see some pretty big chunks of my health disappear (havent tried the 30-40's) but havent had any major problems so far...

lvl 50 guardian phase self buffed 18007
lvl 50 no buffs/guardian phase 12224
lvl 45 guardian phase self buffed 5518
lvl 45 no buffs/guardian phase 5027
lvl 35 guardian phase self buffed 3957
lvl 35 no buffs/guardian phase 3582
lvl 25 guardian phase self buffed 2583
lvl 25 no buffs/guardian phase 2311
lvl 15 guardian phase self buffed 1358
lvl 15 no buffs/guardian phase 1222

buffs are guardian phase, planebound resilience, combat pose, fanfare of vigor (didnt try removing the 153end sigil i have because after those numbers i doubt it would do much)

[cwharland]

Use shielding trinkets and shielding source machine and/or shield if you have it (sorry rogues). Shields proc for full value. It's broken though for sure. Oddly enough I just had back to back mentor lvl 41 tanking pops and in one of them I had 5600 hp and the other I had 7100...special. My self buffed HP at lvl 50 is 22k.

[Audiocubes]

I've seen it. Had to heal a mentored tank while a mentored chloro and its actually work. It probably didn't help with the chain pulling but they were complaining about things being off so I hope that the looking into it yields results sooner rather than later.

[Pork Star]

Any word on adjustments for this issue? Tomorrow's hotfix maybe?

I have tanked at least one mentored dungeon per day since the release of the mentoring system, and I can say that tanking is definitely not in line with DPS when mentored down. Not only is my HP ridiculously low, but my block is practically nonexistant. The only time I really notice blocks happening is when I have 5+ mobs on me. At my normal level I am a little above the soft cap for block.

Tanking these dungeons is definitely possible while mentored, it just sucks that a non-mentored tank of the same level in green gear has better stats. From what the devs have said about the system, you're supposed to be more powerful as a mentor than you were when you were actually at that level. Currently this is not so.

[terran698]

well seeing as the latest hotfix didnt address this issue and broke the game client for a lot of players(me included) when the "fix" comes for the game client could the "fix" for mentored tanking be added to it?

[Wylt]

Thanks for the heads up ndub! This is on our list of issues to address with mentoring.

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Just to add some detail:

> 250 Toughness
Mentor to 45, 0 Toughness

> 20k health
Mentor to 45, 6700 health

Basically, I had the same basic tank stats in full dps gear & sigil as I had in full tank gear & sigil when I mentored. Didn't matter what gear I wore. This also meant I got trucked and was far harder to heal than I would've been vs far harder content.