So what's with all the passive erotica in Rift?

[leaa]

What annoys me a lot is that RIFT is only making sexiness amongst the female characters. I mean how many of you have seen the bami underwear? My god they are huge and red and looks like something my grandpa would use.
And this is how it goes through the whole game. Men are geared to the teeth with no sexiness involved what so ever, whilst women are mostly half naked.

Why is this? I mean there has to be women working at TRION that could enlighten the men who are to occupied making teenagers with big boobs and strip clothes, and remind them that women are actually also playing this game, and at least i would not mind if there was some sort of fairness and men chars looked a bit nicer.

[HannonHellbringer]

It comes down to business, changing the models to suit the 1% whining about the models would actually hurt the population that likes the "sexy" look. In the end, you may be a paying customer but the only right you hold to the game is the option to keep paying and playing or not. No one is forcing you to stay, if you find this game offensive but do not force the 99% of the population to change because you got your feelings hurt over something so minor when that time and money can be spent on more/better content.

And for those of you trying to bring the whole liberal vs conservative debate into a game forum, stop just stop you guys are so lame especially since no one gives a crap and the topic is about a freakin game. I swear both sides are getting dumber day by day.

[Kakaru]

Now this.

Considering the woman is not even a human, why would she even bather wearing cloth?
would you rather prefer elves wearing T-shirts lol

[Kakaru]

Why is this? I mean there has to be women working at TRION that could enlighten the men who are to occupied making teenagers with big boobs and strip clothes, and remind them that women are actually also playing this game, and at least i would not mind if there was some sort of fairness and men chars looked a bit nicer.

Is wearing beautiful dress trying to enlighten men??
Could be but isn't it more like you are putting up your self at higher status if possible.
Not all woman can wear such a beautiful outfit. Only the ones who deserve can because
otherwise it would look awkward. And I think Rift female characters look perfectly fitting and
beautiful with their outfit.

[Allurana]

The first MMO company that produces a game centered around traditional Ferengi society will have my subscription dollars.

You other ultra nerds know what I mean. Oh Yeah!

[leaa]

Is wearing beautiful dress trying to enlighten men??
Could be but isn't it more like you are putting up your self at higher status if possible.
Not all woman can wear such a beautiful outfit. Only the ones who deserve can because
otherwise it would look awkward. And I think Rift female characters look perfectly fitting and
beautiful with their outfit.

And you need to read my post again because you missed out of the whole content. My post asked for men chars outfits to look more nice and to put something on them that are more sexy then grandpas underwear. Since there is obviously time put in to make women chars look better, then i don't understand why this is not done with men chars.

Also what are you talking about??? I don't give a crap about what women at TRION are wearing. They can wear what ever they want. What i asked for was for them to enlighten the onesided men how to make sexy things for men chars.

[Goodberry]

There are plenty of quests that have nothing to do with killing at all. A lot of them do yes, that is the nature of MMOs these days. At the same time there are plenty of softcore MMOs out there ready and willling to cater to your non-violent world, Rift isn't one of them, and I pray never will be. The problem here isn't rifts content, its your morale view and standing on said content. Bottom line, if its to Hardcore for you with killing, go sub to Hello kitty online and find your true calling. ;)

"Plenty" of quests that have nothing to do with killing at all? Who are you kidding? Or maybe it's you who are playing Hello Kitty, lol.

I would have bet on darn Hello Kitty coming out. No, I won't play any stoopid game simply because there is no violence in it.

I played the Myst series. High adventure with gorgeous world, meaningful story lines, extremely challenging, no violence. Of course it wasn't a MMO.

I know nobody will ever make a MMO remotely resembling Myst, given how hopelessy sick our society is, but if they did it I'd play it (particularly if they toned down the "challenge" factor a bit, I'm not nearly as patient as I used to be).

[Bluebell]

No, its not the same thing, yes I do know it. What is the same, is the concept.

And that is the very ugly root of this problem, isn't it. How can a piece of clothing becoming the bare coverage of censored parts be the same as it becoming smaller once it is put on a dwarf? Is sexifying females so ingrained in our society?

If I am playing a female tank I expect her chestpiece to be covering her vital organs, thank you very much. I really do not mind there being pieces in game which people can use if they do want a specific style on a character(love it when people play with looks). But if it is a full covering chestpiece for males than why can't it be for females? This is what I am not getting. And obviously you aren't either if you think this is the same problem as it becoming bigger once it is on a bhami. Females do not need to be partially naked, even if some people would wish so.

[Appendy]

And that is the very ugly root of this problem, isn't it. How can a piece of clothing becoming the bare coverage of censored parts be the same as it becoming smaller once it is put on a dwarf? Is sexifying females so ingrained in our society?

If I am playing a female tank I expect her chestpiece to be covering her vital organs, thank you very much. I really do not mind there being pieces in game which people can use if they do want a specific style on a character(love it when people play with looks). But if it is a full covering chestpiece for males than why can't it be for females? This is what I am not getting. And obviously you aren't either if you think this is the same problem as it becoming bigger once it is on a bhami. Females do not need to be partially naked, even if some people would wish so.

I think it's been mentioned before that skin on women is kind of the norm in fantasy settings. And it is not nearly as bad in Rift as in other games, illustrated stories, movies, etc. Are we in high heels? No. Do we look like strippers? No. Your "90% coverage removed" statement is a bit extreme as well. You can go here and see it's not as bad as you suggest: http://riftwardrobe.wikia.com

Yes, more is revealed. But we also have wardrobe options so you can cover yourself from head to toe if you like.


If you don't agree with the way women are portrayed in fantasy genres and it offends you, why do you subscribe?

Honestly I think women have come a long way from just laying sleeping on our backs waiting for a prince's kiss to make life better so... I'll slay dragons with a bare midriff and a plunging neckline, thank you. *bahmi booty dance*

[Bluebell]

I think it's been mentioned before that skin on women is kind of the norm in fantasy settings. And it is not nearly as bad in Rift as in other games, illustrated stories, movies, etc. Are we in high heels? No. Do we look like strippers? No. Your "90% coverage removed" statement is a bit extreme as well. You can go here and see it's not as bad as you suggest: http://riftwardrobe.wikia.com

Yes, more is revealed. But we also have wardrobe options so you can cover yourself from head to toe if you like.


If you don't agree with the way women are portrayed in fantasy genres and it offends you, why do you subscribe?

Honestly I think women have come a long way from just laying sleeping on our backs waiting for a prince's kiss to make life better so... I'll slay dragons with a bare midriff and a plunging neckline, thank you. *bahmi booty dance*

All of that is correct. I do actually really love the personality these female heroes, and villains, do portray. They're strong individual characters and Trion has enough respect from me for that, that I only grumble in my non-existent beard at all the exposed skin.

To me, the naked ****-star high elf has never been true fantasy. Having grown up with Tolkien that is what fantasy is to me. The parody that has come later is just poorly covered **** and daydreaming in my opinion. That is, of course, not to say that there can't be sexy and strong female characters. People seem to want to think there is no grey area, but there certainly is! I am not some militant feminist with a moustache saying that any female wishing to expose herself is a harlot, heh, even if it might seem that way xD

I just think undressing females to make it "fantasy" is not only cheapening the credibility of the character, but cheapening yourself as an artist as well (and this is not just a dig at Trion, but the entire concept)

[Sularus]

If you don't agree with the way women are portrayed in fantasy genres and it offends you, why do you subscribe?

Honestly I think women have come a long way from just laying sleeping on our backs waiting for a prince's kiss to make life better so... I'll slay dragons with a bare midriff and a plunging neckline, thank you. *bahmi booty dance*

Women have come a long way because they shut up and left the country right? Or maybe it was because they vocalized and organized.... I can never get those two right.

[Keldaria]

Women have come a long way because they shut up and left the country right? Or maybe it was because they vocalized and organized.... I can never get those two right.

This is a video game not a woman's rights issue. These are the expansions "poster girls" not an attack on woman.

Beyond that it's widely known that the female figure has always been considered a work of art. That's why many nude paintings have been done over the years and many old sculptures were made. Many modern high end cars derive their graceful curves from a woman's body in a concept the call "natural design" or design based upon the works of nature. (not saying nude males have not been featured in art as they have, however that's wasn't what the op had posted about)

The real issue here is not the outfits but the fact that you are viewing them in a sexual manner. Perhaps if people were exposed to a little more art and culture over the years as I'm assuming trion art designers are, then I'd expect they might have a different reaction.

The trick is not everything has to be viewed in a sexual manner, rather recognize the situation for what it is. Not sexual, not an attack on feminist, but rather a VIDEO GAME that had its designer attempt to craft a memorable image that is artfully pleasing to the eyes. Yes they could've covered the person in head to toe armor or cloaks but then you wouldn't be able to tell anything about the person under the gear, and I doubt it would have been as memorable for many.

[Kabliga]

I know nobody will ever make a MMO remotely resembling Myst, given how hopelessy sick our society is, but if they did it I'd play it (particularly if they toned down the "challenge" factor a bit, I'm not nearly as patient as I used to be).

http://mystonline.com/

there was/is a Myst MMO, but i think it failed miserably as a game and as a successful business venture. though according to the Wikipedia article on it, it i still running (surprisingly).

[Lalothen]

I hereby call a vote on the following motion:

All female characters in Rift from this day henceforth, should all look and be clad like Brienne of Tarth. This will be non-negotiable, for if female characters show any skin at all - especially in the chest or leg area - then a combination of manhood-jerking appreciation and maniacal prude-rage will ensue, leaving the forums a bloody mess for days, if not weeks to come. We most certainly don't want that, and by "we" I mean the men who will have to listen to the constant bleating and complaining of the women who will be made to clean the entire mess up afterwards

All in favour?

[Appendy]

Women have come a long way because they shut up and left the country right? Or maybe it was because they vocalized and organized.... I can never get those two right.

Um. I was speaking in terms of fantasy, dude.

The real issue here is not the outfits but the fact that you are viewing them in a sexual manner.

Basically this ^ To even suggest there is 'passive erotica' because of fantasy wardrobes in Rift (which I still insist are modest compared to other games of the same genre) is weird and creepy (sorry I can't think of a kind way to put that). There's nothing wrong with them nor are they ridiculously revealing. Even Crucia is toned down in comparison to other depictions of fantasy women.