theorycrafting

[Keavhavdra]

http://bit.ly/INiibX

i made a spreadsheet included all the new epic essences

i attempted to work out the EP values based on the assumption people were 30% crit +

i'd like some helpful feedback and if bits are wrong could you explain where.

[Primalthirst]

In future you'd be better off putting this in class specific forums.

All of this work has been done by several people before, with different results to yours.
Any explanation you can give as to how you have done the stat weightings?

[Keavhavdra]

i calculated 30% + stat for the general 3.5 multiplier.

others calculated with 2.5

my alts lowbies with NO gear on. and then used the same calcs on full relic HK people.

numbers for rogue and war were rounded to the nearest 2 decimal point.

so for 1 of my alts

15 STR = 7AP
15 / 7 = 2.142 to three decimal places so just over half.
then i did (rounding to nearest
1/2.14 = 0.468 rounded up to 0.5 (will probably need to change that for closer stats tbh...)

41 dex = 20ap 41 crit
41/20 = 2.05
1 / 2.05 = 0.4

same with war stats, mage (relative things int and wis), cleric then used the formula which is viewable on the spreadsheet to get the end EP value if >30%

[Primalthirst]

I can tell you that for Mages and Rogues calculating weighting below the crit cap is pointless since all raid geared players will be above it.

You appear to be blindly assuming that Spell Power/Attack Power is 3.5 the worth of Spell Crit/Physical Crit.
Completely baseless assumptions like that completely invalidate your spreadsheet since there is nothing to suggest you are correct at all.

I can certainly tell you your Mage sheet is way off.

[Keavhavdra]

Mages are crit capped in blue gear, the sheet dictates that the higher the wisdom the better the mage stats will be.

So how is it my calculations are wrong; and if so perhaps, rather than basically calling me an idiot, you could help me. the 3.5 is used on all classes.

The reason I posted this here was to find help not for people to turn round and call me an idiot.

So, I'll ask that if possible you can help or direct me to someone who can or them to here. or them to here

[Kantazo]

Thank you K for the hard work.

[Keavhavdra]

no worries.

but even if the 3.5 bit is wrong on other classes the order would still be the same in regards to value. just the EP value would be different no?

[Primalthirst]

Where did you get this magical 3.5 from?
That's what I can't work out.

If your value ration of Ap/Sp to Pc/Sc changes then item rankings will change drastically. For Mages Spellpower is rated somewhere between 15-20 times that of Spell Crit depending on spec.

If you want accurate weightings then you need to take the most common specs for each class and evaluate their performance under full raid buffs then repeat with altered stats many, many times to improve accuracy. Then you can assign those weightings to pieces of gear and rank them.

I never said you were an idiot, I said your weighted listing had no basis in fact.
It's a good reference point for existing essences, but its ranking system is flawed.

There are gearing guides in all of the class subforums that have this list already and have been meticulously tested by the community over many months. The best ones are commonly accepted as accurate.

[Keavhavdra]

btw none of the lists you speak of are up to date with essences. let alone anything more than what the cleric has.
the list is out of date for essences and only has PTS info not the info from the live servers.
mage has **** all (even on bluedots its outdated)
cannot find rogue or warrior at all.

for the clerics i used the following.

Stats
1 Wisdom = 0.75 spell power + 4 max mana + 0.277 mana regen every 10 sec
1 Intelligence = 0.25 + 1 spell crit + 5 max mana

The formula
Total Spell Power = (Wisdom * 0.75) + (INT * 0.25) + Spell Power
Total Spell Crit = (INT+ Spell Crit)

These stats are added together with a slight twist and give final “value” for a cleric. The slight twist is that depending on how much spell crit you have spell power gives you more or less benefit

Spell crit < 20% then A= 1.75
Spell crit 20-30% then A= 2.5
Spell crit > 30% then A= 3.5

Spell crit soft cap (45%, approx 1100 spell crit)
Spell crit hard caps at 60%

Final formula: Total Power (EP): Total Spell Power *A + Total Spell Crit.


the above forumula's were modified for the correct stat weights for each class,
And rather than telling me in a long winded way that my calculations are wrong how about telling me where i'm wrong and how to correct it so i dont make the same mistake again.

the reason i didn't post this in the class forums was because they involve ALL the classes and not just a specific.

I came here for help as i knew something was wrong and wanted to fix it. But instead i get you indirectly calling me an idiot as you have given no explanation just simply stated "you're doing it wrong so stop" (so to speak) and frankly that's unappreaciated. I'd expect similar from hardcore wow players but not from people on the rift forums. I may be reading your responses wrong, but they do seem a damn site long winded way to tell me i'm wrong when i knew that and came looking for help!

[TheGrinnz]

These are all up to date and easy to find in each class's guide section.

The mage one used to be http://bluedots.org/mage-gear-list/ but it appears to be missing as of today, however it was up to date. As linked here http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...et-v3-0-a.html

Warrior: http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...is-v1-8-a.html

Cleric (justicar): http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...peadsheet.html

Cleric (multi-role): http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...guide-bis.html

Don't have a rogue so haven't looked into those. The fact is that stats work differently for each class so posting anything relating to all of them together is not very helpful.

[Keavhavdra]

bowlers is up to date with 1.7 but excludes the essences bought for world event currency!
bluedots 1.7 but includes world event essences with the new ones too.
Rain's list is up to date and i couldn't find it at the time i did my list.
Maximation Rogue Spreadsheet no idea who made it but yeah...

though my EP values differ to everyones the ordering is the same for BIS essences for each DPS class.
so the "value" is wrong but the importance is right!

0.o thank **** for that!

thanks Grinnz <3 helped me a bunch!

[TheGrinnz]

bluedots 1.7 but includes world event essences with the new ones too.

The 1.7 guide is Windstorm's, Rexer had one that was being updated for 1.8 but it doesn't appear to be there anymore.

[Keavhavdra]

hmm.... wonder what happened to that...