LvL 50s preventing lowbies in the 4 low level areas from getting pinata loot

[Hebribes]

Saying, "But I'm not saying I'm entitled to them," doesn't mean that you're not claiming to be entitled to them. If you didn't feel that a level 10 isn't more entitled to a level 10 pinata, you wouldn't be here arguing.

Sorry, I'm fresh out of puppets and crayons. I can't make the point of the discussion any simpler. You don't have to get it, so I'm moving on.

Regardless, the Devs fixed the problem, so this thread can now quietly die away imho.

[trinta]

Some of you are pretty funny, with your sweeping generalizations about what kind of person I am because I disagree with you on a single item of online-game courtesy.

Hopefully you'll go out and feed a hungry child just to prove you're a better person than I am, then something useful will have happened.

[ShinChuck]

So hypothetically speaking, since we would both be paying the same entry fee to an amusement park of some sort, you would have absolutely no problem with people walking right in front you while in line for a ride, giving you the /rude sign, and getting on the ride in front of you?

I can pull all sorts of other examples out of my hat that are completely relevant and not just comparing apples to hand grenades but you get my point.

In the end of the day, most of the complaints in this regard I have been seeing are from new players who are getting a sour taste in their mouth about this games community.

Sad thing is, our world today is based around convenience for thyself and complete disregard for the other. But when it becomes inconvenience for that same person, they *****, whine, cry, throw a fit, and call others immoral for doing the same darn thing that they themselves do.

Gotta love hypocrisy.

I'd have no problem with equally paying customers who were in front of me in line taking better seats, no, which is what we're talking about.

I'm not quite sure if this is all in response to me, so I apologize. I never called anybody immoral, and I definitely never whined and cried when it was done to me, so I can only assume that hypocrisy line is a general statement about the internet.

The guy I was responding to has not been here for previous events. As far as I can tell, the complaints behind this issue are mostly from *returning* players who simply aren't aware of how it's gone down previously, and why things were initially done the way they were done. And that's fine, I'm always glad to have returning players, I'm just saying, let's not talk like we're veterans on the subject when we're not.

So..because its always been this way its ok? Uhm, no. Besides, today's patch changes how this is managed, so that should mitigate people like you who think this is business as usual.

It's been business as usual for the past two events, which I believe you clarified you had not participated in. There were complaints the first week, then it died out entirely when people stopped caring by week two or three. From then on, the dedicated, regardless of level, could hunt them down, and there were usually multiple spawns sitting unattended at any given time in a given zone. Nobody has yet to argue this point, so I'ma assume it stands, in which case we're all conceding, like anything, after the initial rush it would have been fine.

I'll take that.

Trion listens to it's customers, and I totally give them props for it. I'll gladly come back in Phase 5 and point out all the examples of pinatas simply not being touched and sometimes staying spawned for hours (just like the previous two events, which included unnerfed rewards) because there's no longer any incentive, though.

[Cikala]

So, it seems people think that just because after a week or two the level 50's stop farming the low level zones because they don't care anymore, that it's alright. I'll use another theme park analogy here. You and I both pay for entrance to the park one morning. Oh, but because you are older, you are allowed to choose whatever rides you want to ride first, and I have to wait until the afternoon before I get a chance to ride anything. If you think that's okay and fair, then nothing anyone can say is going to show you the light.

I really hope Trion removes all rewards from grey-con mobs. Achievement credit only, no notoriety gains, no exp, no coin or loot. That is the ONLY fair way to do it.

[Zerosum]

I really hope Trion removes all rewards from grey-con mobs. Achievement credit only, no notoriety gains, no exp, no coin or loot. That is the ONLY fair way to do it.

Now I agree in principle, that it's probably not fair. So tell me how someone is able to max a low level faction if they weren't able to during the level up range? How will a 50 who's starting crafting gain some of the materials if they weren't able get cloth drops from lower level mobs? So if you out level your cloth mobs, your only options are AH or an alt? Does your view go as far as saying everything 'grey-con'? Not a huge jump to say 50s aren't allowed to gather or forage low level zones.

Maybe they (the 50s) are ruining your game experience. Maybe not. It doesn't matter but to say that's the ONLY fair way to do it is wrong.

[Airien]

Wow...sounds like you have a bit of a victim issue there. I collect artifacts on my warrior because it's relaxing. I currently collect artifacts in Silverwood because I haven't completed the Silverwood artifact sets yet. I have as much right to collect those artifacts as anyone else. And when I get duplicates, it becomes like a trading card game. In my case, I trade with others via the AH. And when I'm done the Silverwood sets, I'll move on over to Gloamwood. Works out well for me. I also still have yet to kill a single rare mob in Silverwood for the achievement. Make no mistake, if I see a rare mob I'll kill it without a second thought. The fact that I have an incomplete achievement for that zone tells me I have a right to kill those rare mobs. And no, when I see one I won't be broadcasting to the entire zone so someone else can come scoop it out from under me. It'll be dead. Plain and simple.

Be careful how quick you are to snivel about people taking cheap shots. After all, you're the one in here labeling high level players pricks and jerks and meanerheads and all that other crap. Get some maturity in ya, quit sniveling, and play the game.

Nope, wrong my friend. Never been a victim, just looking at things from both sides of the fence. I saw this issue with artifacts in EQ2 being monopolized by higher level players and once I saw how it was implemented when testing this game I knew it would be the same issue.

Heck, there was even a video posted by a player here a few weeks back showing his exact artifact path from Meridian, as a level 50 character, doing it daily simply for coin, which he openly admitted. To me, that is greed and leaves a sour taste in new players mouths who are new to the game and looking to enjoy all forms of content.

As far as you going back on your main character and finishing sets, I am completely fine with that, hence why I said artifacts should only stop being attainable AFTER one has collected them for needed sets (if more than 1 set with the same artifact they should be allowed to collect more until ALL sets are complete that use that same artifact).

As for the rest of your pitiful attempts at sarcasm, I will just leave it alone as the reinforcement you are apparently seeking far exceeds any need of mine to make a point about the greeediness of high level players monopolizing low level items from level adequate players.

G'day.

[Airien]

Look, Dark Age of Camelot had it right. You get nothing from a gray con anything. No XP, no loot, no drops of any kind. And if you are grouped with a high level character, if that high level character helps in the kill in ANY way, all loot and XP is forfeit for everyone, immediately.

In DAoC, if my L10 was grouped with a friend's L50, they couldn't do anything. They couldn't buff me, or heal me, or touch the mob in ANY way--or I got nothing from the kill. That's how it should be. If they wanted to "power level" me, they could, but they would have to take me into zones where the mobs conned for them, which usually meant they would come eat me from across the zone. So there was a price to be paid and a risk to be taken.

Couldn't agree more. DAoC had lots of things right and the fact that some of the original developers of this game were old DAoC Dev's, I was personally surprised to see them omit many great implementations in an attempt to cater to the "new age' gaming crowd.

[Airien]

I'm not quite sure if this is all in response to me, so I apologize. I never called anybody immoral, and I definitely never whined and cried when it was done to me, so I can only assume that hypocrisy line is a general statement about the internet.

Aye, the entirety of my post was not meant to be directed at you solely, my apologies for making it sound that way because it definitely did.

It's the point that peoples self entitlement over the internet when they are behind a PC far supersedes what they would justify in the real world where their actions would quickly be met with counteractions that would more than likely leave them with a black eye. But since they are behind a monitor, they can /lol and /rude while simply striding away on their mounts feeling superior in a video game. If this was a full blown PvP game with open loot, I highly doubt you would be seeing many of the players doing that exact thing because they would then actually be held accountable for their actions.

[Kerilar]

Seems Trion haven't learned that unless they use a 'must be green to get any rewards' limitation on things then level 50 ***-hats will do what the OP's describing.

Come on Trion, for God's sake, take human nature and the typical selfishness and greed many MMO players exhibit into account when designing this sort of content.

Actually to clear this up a bit:
If you kill a Grey Pinata you get 1-5 Beads - That's it. (there was a bug allowing 7-15..but that was still it)
If you kill a Green + Pinata you get 7-15 Beads + 8-15 Beads, Plus a chance at all the old goodies.

We are well aware of the fact that players will take advantage of what they perceive to be easier ways to get free loot, but at the same time I wanted to allow people who may be out helping new friends out to get something. I honestly figured that 50s would view low level pinata smashing as a waste of time, and well, it is! Also bear in mind that we haven't had a World Event live for a few weeks and people get excited about them! After the first day or two the farm fest always slows down or moves to the proper locations.

Enjoy the Carnival!!

[Kerin]

but at the same time I wanted to allow people who may be out helping new friends out to get something. I honestly figured that 50s would view low level pinata smashing as a waste of time, and well, it is!

Okay, I can see your point here and wouldn't disagree, EXCEPT that if someone is truly helping someone else there's no need to reward THEM, only their on-level 'friend' .. after all, 'helping' someone for its own sake doesn't require a reward, the act of helping is reward enough, or at least that's what I was taught decades ago.

Also, while it may be less profitable for a 50 to smash a level 10 mob (of any sort), it could still work out better (or at least little or no worse) in the long run than taking far longer to kill a 'green' mob, this is why there are still 50s in Freemarch even after you supposedly 'fixed' things.