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    Quote Originally Posted by Haseno View Post
    Hahahahahahahaha. Oh, I'm laughing sooo hard right now.

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    If being a good raid leader means you have to pull people that habitually under perform in their own chosen role, then I think that I would rather be a bad raid leader and have quick, successful and fun raids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwraith View Post
    Once again proving my point... get better and the raid lead will let you in... you were kicked because you weren't as good as the other guy I could bring because he does 20% more dps then you..

    It's like sales why should I hire the guy who sells 100k a year even tho hes good when I can find a guy who sells consistently for 150k.. 100k is damn good but yes I took the one who was better.

    Also your argument still falls under the catergory of elitism which I mentioned invalidating it as I will parse and still kick him if I have better players begging for a fast run..

    And players find out who leads best the guy who never has a fail group because he watches EVERY aspect including dps in his raids.. Guess what those are the same guilds in the top 100 those who expect the best..

    Don't like it? There are other groups to join.. Life isn't fair ...

    And you can be a baby all you want... however not having meters won't stop this scenario from happening.
    How do you get better when the raid won't let you in. You are at the point in the progression that to improve you need the drops from that zone. But in order to get into the zone, you need to be able to get into the raid. No life isn't fair, but this isn't life. It's a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Some people avoid the cutting edge guilds because that may not be their style. Fair enough.

    And not having meters will make it happen less. How much less remains to be seen. I do however know not to apply to your guild. Rift looks like it will be fun. Control freaks aren't usually big on everyone having fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwraith View Post
    Seriously an old EQ guild... please.. Yawn... I see where you get your dated ideals from.
    And..you just lost all credibility. Thanks, done arguing with you.


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    It's good to know that exotic occult has some pretenders. (People who think they are hardcore but don't really understand the reality of things and get overshadowed by much better players later on)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BucMan View Post
    How do you get better when the raid won't let you in. You are at the point in the progression that to improve you need the drops from that zone. But in order to get into the zone, you need to be able to get into the raid.
    You start your own raids/guild. Seeing as how most of your complaints have come from wow scenarios, it was ridiculously easy to do just that in that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Teatime View Post
    If being a good raid leader means you have to pull people that habitually under perform in their own chosen role, then I think that I would rather be a bad raid leader and have quick, successful and fun raids.
    Learn to enjoy the fight, not the reward. It's always much more fun if you win a fight against odds, than if you win a fight in which had no close calls.

    Why you think people have adrenaline rushes on bad pulls, then barely emerge victorious.

    Then again, this is a concept which is fading from the MMO world. Instant-Gratification...yuck...gross.
    Last edited by Haseno; 12-10-2010 at 01:47 AM.


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    Don't worry we don't want those who under perform and are afraid of their numbers being tracked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Teatime View Post
    You start your own raids/guild. Seeing as how most of your complaints have come from wow scenarios, it was ridiculously easy to do just that in that game.
    I think you have the wrong person to be accusing.

    Quote Originally Posted by silentwraith View Post
    which proves once again you have never been in a top 100 guild as a leader or as an officer.
    Quote Originally Posted by silentwraith View Post
    Seriously an old EQ guild... please.. Yawn... I see where you get your dated ideals from.
    Being in the top 100 guilds in WoW is nothing to be boasting about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Teatime View Post
    You start your own raids/guild. Seeing as how most of your complaints have come from wow scenarios, it was ridiculously easy to do just that in that game.
    Yeah, I did go with guildies on some PUGs, but seeing this scenario play out almost every day in general chat got me a bit jaded. It used to be fun, but I started to realize that too much of the scene was grinding for badges or what not just so the number on the DPS meter or Gearscore would allow me to join a raid on a whim for the chance at the one item I wanted from that zone. That, and blizzard also helped my problem by certain nerfs to my unconventional spec. It was a combination of many things, but seeing the DPS meter/gearscore elitism by so many in the general chat helped almost as much as my spec being turned to dust by blizzard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sire View Post
    I think you have the wrong person to be accusing.





    Being in the top 100 guilds in WoW is nothing to be boasting about.
    I disagree.. however I was more thinking EQ2.. although I still think it takes something to be in the top of such a big pond.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BucMan View Post
    Yeah, I did go with guildies on some PUGs, but seeing this scenario play out almost every day in general chat got me a bit jaded. It used to be fun, but I started to realize that too much of the scene was grinding for badges or what not just so the number on the DPS meter or Gearscore would allow me to join a raid on a whim for the chance at the one item I wanted from that zone. That, and blizzard also helped my problem by certain nerfs to my unconventional spec. It was a combination of many things, but seeing the DPS meter/gearscore elitism by so many in the general chat helped almost as much as my spec being turned to dust by blizzard.
    A testimonial...someone stated I was being just opinionated and not factual?

    This post just proved my point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sire View Post
    Being in the top 100 guilds in WoW is nothing to be boasting about.


    IDK man, that seems like something to boast about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentwraith View Post
    I disagree.. however I was more thinking EQ2.. although I still think it takes something to be in the top of such a big pond.
    Always a bigger fish that can eat you, regardless of what pond you're in. They also don't need the laserbeams on their forehead as a crutch to eat you either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hackiedoodle View Post


    IDK man, that seems like something to boast about.
    No matter which way you spin that encounter, it wasn't harder than Vanilla Naxx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hackiedoodle View Post

    IDK man, that seems like something to boast about.
    I was thinking more along the lines of nihilum before easy wow...
    Last edited by silentwraith; 12-10-2010 at 01:56 AM.
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