NO DPS or Threat Meters

[Corwynn_Maelstrom]

Guilds, son, you need to list your guilds.

Why? Becuase the game makes itself harder when your tag reads Fires of Heaven?

The game doesn't care what guild you're in, it cares about what you brought to play.

LOL.

Don't be such a tool.

[Dinadass]

Hey guys because I was in X guild my opinion on DPS meters is more important than your opinion.

[Corwynn_Maelstrom]

EQ2 multiple guilds first four expansions?
Serious.

What server/eq guild were you in and supply your WoW guild also.

My current guild is listed below. Was it really that hard to read?

[ag0nizing]

We're all slackers. Stop acting like you have a point. Congratulations you're awesome in a raid, As Mitch says, "That's like being the smartest kid with down syndrome."

Just relax and enjoy the company of your fellow gamers.

So, I should have to waste additional time wiping in raids due to players way under par?

I guess If a guy is going 35 in a 65 I should also just go with the flow of traffic and arrive late to work?

[Corwynn_Maelstrom]

Hey guys because I was in X guild my opinion on DPS meters is more important than your opinion.

Apparently.

Still wanting to know how the game changes based upon your guild.

[Brell]

Guilds, son, you need to list your guilds.

I don't mean this as an attack. I'm against this big flame war and hope we can get back to the ACTUAL conversation... but did I miss you posting your stuff? You ask for other people to post their stuff. Have you done it? If so, I"m sorry for just missing it.

Also, when he said that PRO Meter people don't understand the difference, he clearly didn't mean it literally. We were at that point talking about the lack of effective difference between Parser Meters and DPS meters in vs. out of the game. We all trust you know what an in-game meter looks like

[midmagic]

Parsers run real time. If you don't know this you need to go, do your homework, and come back to the debate when you have all the facts.

This is the major issue people who are pro meters seem to have. They believe that an in game meter is the only possible way to play a game properly.

You can have an offline(not real-time) or online(real-time) parser.

[Valent]

The question was of raid experience. Trust me when I say that I am the most experienced raider posting on these boards, and your guild has absolutely everything to do with that.

Of course, why would I expect you to follow logic? You're too busy victimizing your position while simultaneously dismissing mine by saying YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! While this might work if you're an emo in high school, I'm going to call you every name in the book if you don't actually provide the reasoning behind it. Parses are run live? What the hell do you think a damage meter is, dip****?

Also, I'd LOVE to hear about your WotLK achievements. Farm that ToC normal DID YA?

[Brell]

The question was of raid experience. Trust me when I say that I am the most experienced raider posting on these boards, and your guild has absolutely everything to do with that.

Of course, why would I expect you to follow logic? You're too busy victimizing your position while simultaneously dismissing mine by saying YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! While this might work if you're an emo in high school, I'm going to call you every name in the book if you don't actually provide the reasoning behind it. Parses are run live? What the hell do you think a damage meter is, dip****?

Also, I'd LOVE to hear about your WotLK achievements. Farm that ToC normal DID YA?

I'm sorry that I misstyped something in the internet. I'm going to log off forever because I'm sure I'm the first one to make a mistake. Granted, I will give you that was a big error in my typing there but I was stuck in 'ramble' mode

Just putting it out there though from the standpoint of someone who hasn't really been in this conversation long... but you sure seem to be using this "high school" etiquette. Can't we stop this flame and get on topic?

[Dinadass]

The question was of raid experience. Trust me when I say that I am the most experienced raider posting on these boards, and your guild has absolutely everything to do with that.

Of course, why would I expect you to follow logic? You're too busy victimizing your position while simultaneously dismissing mine by saying YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! While this might work if you're an emo in high school, I'm going to call you every name in the book if you don't actually provide the reasoning behind it. Parses are run live? What the hell do you think a damage meter is, dip****?

Also, I'd LOVE to hear about your WotLK achievements. Farm that ToC normal DID YA?

If this were a discussion on how difficult bleeding edge content should be, you might have a point. DPS meters affect everyone, and you having more raid experience than other people who have quite a bit of their own is irrelevant.

[Plus1]

So, I should have to waste additional time wiping in raids due to players way under par?

You're already wasting time by being in the raid. Whats another 5 minutes? Why be a **** and ruin another players fun just because you're not wasting time fast enough. Relax, it's just a game.

[masteen]

Sooo if the parser is running real-time, what is the big issue with that data being available within the game interface? The fact that people who aren't complete sperglords have access to it?

[Corwynn_Maelstrom]

You can have an offline(not real-time) or online(real-time) parser.

Find me a modern 3rd party parser that doesn't parse in real time please.

The people who want to keep the meters out of games recognize that log parsing will be in unless sabotaged by the game developer (which almost never happens) and as a result know that the functionality to have real time feedback will be made available.

If you check the thread (I know it's long) you will see time after time people not arguing that parsing is useful, but rather that it needs to not be put into easy reach of every player.

Only those who actually need it should be using parsing.

The best way to ensure this is to use 3rd party programs to parse the combat log (either on real time or after action as desired) . . .

[Meharial]

The question was of raid experience. Trust me when I say that I am the most experienced raider posting on these boards, and your guild has absolutely everything to do with that.

Of course, why would I expect you to follow logic? You're too busy victimizing your position while simultaneously dismissing mine by saying YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!! While this might work if you're an emo in high school, I'm going to call you every name in the book if you don't actually provide the reasoning behind it. Parses are run live? What the hell do you think a damage meter is, dip****?

Also, I'd LOVE to hear about your WotLK achievements. Farm that ToC normal DID YA?

Interesting conversation.

Why should I trust you when you say out of over 30 thousand registered users, you are the most experienced raider? Reeeealllly...How's about we turn it around a bit. Valent? Who the hell are you? Never heard of you in any of my circles and trust me, I'm the most experienced raiders here. If I don't know you, you must have been small time.

Yeah, see how that says absolutely nothing?

[Corwynn_Maelstrom]

Sooo if the parser is running real-time, what is the big issue with that data being available within the game interface? The fact that people who aren't complete sperglords have access to it?

The fact that it's too easily accessible to people who do not have a real need for that level of detail.

Joe Casual does not need a meter.

Steve Raider doesn't need one unless he's working on something very specific.

Bob Theorycrafter can make use of one, but he's tied into the community and will easily be able to download and configure the program.

Sally Raidleader will use a parser to help her run the show.

There've already been compromises suggested for limiting who can use meters in game, or limiting their display to a single number (that covers the 3 roles) for Joe Casual.