On request....an NQ stream

[Vioarr]

I'm too bored to rage anymore.

[TehFrank]

Stopping the flamewar with...NYANCAT =^.^=

[Godsclown]

Stopping the flamewar with...NYANCAT =^.^=

hipster....

[Ajax1114]

I was talking to some of my officers today and we reflected on our raiding 'careers' over the past 8+ years of mmo gaming and pretty agreed that in our experience its the ****** raid leader that gets the most results lol. Now dont get me wrong im not saying there are not good raid leaders who are nice, I was in one of the top raiding guilds back in eq2 and did very well at the two classes I played, I also had the most epically ****** of a raid leader that I think has ever graced any game ever but I cant deny the man got results.

I have also been in guilds were the raid leader tries to be nice and friendly and considerate of peoples feelings and I have yet to see it work as well as the raid leader who is the ****** but gets results. Maybe my luck is just bad but eh.

There is definitely some truth to this. The only flaw is that being an ******* sometimes goes too far and you lose essential people to the coarse attitude. All comes down to what you're looking to accomplish, really.

I would say the harsh leader has more efficiency, but sometimes less longevity. Then again, there is a difference between being a straight up ******* and being to-the-point with no apologies.

[Khuj]

TIL Zotics is secretly the leader of NQ.

That dude sounds Tralt and Proudfeet mixed in one. Even though those dudes were cool, they could tear my ear whenever they yelled @ others.

[intrinsc]

There is a difference between being an ahole raid leader and being a strong raid leader who genuinely cares about winning and knows how to get the best ouf of his players. The former has no regard for the players and the latter actually gets results and people want to do their best. They do their best to not get yelled at and look like an idiot in front of the rest of your peers and because they don't wanna fail that person.

[Europe]

There is a difference between being an ahole raid leader and being a strong raid leader who genuinely cares about winning and knows how to get the best ouf of his players. The former has no regard for the players and the latter actually gets results and people want to do their best. They do their best to not get yelled at and look like an idiot in front of the rest of your peers and because they don't wanna fail that person.

False dichotomy. You can be a strong raid leader who genuinely cares about winning and knows how to get the best out of your players and still be a giant a-hole.

Which seems to be the case. In my experience, needing an abusive raid leader is a sign that the members do not particularly care about the guild, only themselves. The abuse keeps them doing what is right for everyone and not just what's right for them. It's a way of controlling selfish players with huge egos.

With the right roster, you don't need that.

[LeCreaux]

There is a difference between being an ahole raid leader and being a strong raid leader who genuinely cares about winning and knows how to get the best ouf of his players. The former has no regard for the players and the latter actually gets results and people want to do their best. They do their best to not get yelled at and look like an idiot in front of the rest of your peers and because they don't wanna fail that person.

I can tell you after a 26 year military career involving a few war zones there's a lot of truth to this (with a caveat). Being firm and demanding gets results, but being respectful at the same time (to followers) gets loyalty. The best leaders I served under, and tried to emulate, were firm and demanding and made me feel like they cared about me. Each of us felt the same way about them and would suffer for them.

But there were also leaders (some successful) who thought being a jerk was leading, and thought yelling at and insulting followers was motivating. In my experience followers would be disloyal to that leader as soon as things went bad. A firm glare is all I ever needed.

[Byona]

There is a difference between being an ahole raid leader and being a strong raid leader who genuinely cares about winning and knows how to get the best ouf of his players. The former has no regard for the players and the latter actually gets results and people want to do their best. They do their best to not get yelled at and look like an idiot in front of the rest of your peers and because they don't wanna fail that person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1Wn...eature=related

My name is Byona,

I am level 50,

My eyes are swollen..

I cannot see.


I must be stupid,

I must be bad,

What else could have made,

My leader so mad?


I wish I were better,

I wish I weren't ugly,

Then maybe my leader,

Would still want to hug me.

I can't do a wrong,

I can't speak at all,

Or else I'm locked up,

All day long.


When I'm awake,

I'm all alone,

The house is dark,

My folks aren't home.


When my leader does come home,

I'll try and be nice,

So maybe I'll just get,

One whipping tonight.



I hear a car

My leader is back,

From an invasion attack.


I hear him curse,

My name is called ,

I press myself,

Against the wall.


I try to hide,

From his evil eyes,

I'm so afraid now,

I'm starting to cry.



He finds me weeping,

Calls me ugly words,

He says its my fault,

He suffers when raiding.


He slaps and hits me,

And yells at me more,

I finally break free,

And run to the door.


He's already locked it,

And I start to bawl,

He takes me and throws me,

Against the hard wall.


I fall to the floor,

With my bones nearly broken,

And my leader continues,

With more bad words spoken.


'I'm sorry!', I scream,

But it's now much to late,

His face has been twisted,

Into a unimaginable shape.


The hurt and the pain,

Again and again,

O please God, have mercy!

O please let it end!


And he finally stops,

And heads for the door,

While I lay there motionless,

Sprawled on the floor.


My name is Byona, I Am level 50,

Tonight my leader, kicked me.

[Comcastic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-1Wn...eature=related

My name is Byona,

I am level 50,

My eyes are swollen..

I cannot see.


I must be stupid,

I must be bad,

What else could have made,

My leader so mad?


I wish I were better,

I wish I weren't ugly,

Then maybe my leader,

Would still want to hug me.

I can't do a wrong,

I can't speak at all,

Or else I'm locked up,

All day long.


When I'm awake,

I'm all alone,

The house is dark,

My folks aren't home.


When my leader does come home,

I'll try and be nice,

So maybe I'll just get,

One whipping tonight.



I hear a car

My leader is back,

From an invasion attack.


I hear him curse,

My name is called ,

I press myself,

Against the wall.


I try to hide,

From his evil eyes,

I'm so afraid now,

I'm starting to cry.



He finds me weeping,

Calls me ugly words,

He says its my fault,

He suffers when raiding.


He slaps and hits me,

And yells at me more,

I finally break free,

And run to the door.


He's already locked it,

And I start to bawl,

He takes me and throws me,

Against the hard wall.


I fall to the floor,

With my bones nearly broken,

And my leader continues,

With more bad words spoken.


'I'm sorry!', I scream,

But it's now much to late,

His face has been twisted,

Into a unimaginable shape.


The hurt and the pain,

Again and again,

O please God, have mercy!

O please let it end!


And he finally stops,

And heads for the door,

While I lay there motionless,

Sprawled on the floor.


My name is Byona, I Am level 50,

Tonight my leader, kicked me.

Clearly someone wasn't beat enough as a child.

[intrinsc]

Lets keep the discussion on topic and civil.

[Bowler Hat]

Lets keep the discussion on topic and civil.

It's been pretty civil so far, BTW have Trion fixed the achieve dates? Or is that Working as Intended?

[Manki]

I can tell you after a 26 year military career involving a few war zones there's a lot of truth to this (with a caveat). Being firm and demanding gets results, but being respectful at the same time (to followers) gets loyalty. The best leaders I served under, and tried to emulate, were firm and demanding and made me feel like they cared about me. Each of us felt the same way about them and would suffer for them.

But there were also leaders (some successful) who thought being a jerk was leading, and thought yelling at and insulting followers was motivating. In my experience followers would be disloyal to that leader as soon as things went bad. A firm glare is all I ever needed.

Being the Raid Leader of my own guild and having military experience I can attest to this 100%. It has served me well in the past and will continue to serve me well in the future. After our brief hiatus due to military obligations Ive had 13 of my 20 core raiders return. Some of them from much more established raiding guilds. If that doesn't show loyalty, well then i guess i don't know the definition. How i see it is this, there is a time to yell, and there is a time to be nice, but it all needs to be done respectfully and with tact.

p.s. Hi RR, how you been? <3

[intrinsc]

It's been pretty civil so far, BTW have Trion fixed the achieve dates? Or is that Working as Intended?

That is why nearly a page of posts were removed. Lets keep the discussion on topic.

I haven't received any signs that we won't be allowed to stream this coming Wednesday.

[Bowler Hat]

That is why nearly a page of posts were removed. Lets keep the discussion on topic.

Yeah I'm trying to be obtuse. anyway, Working as Intended then

love your work Trion