Post laythes Guilds

[Sebb]

Doesn't always work, doesn't even usually work, especially with the forums' propensity to just remind them they suck and advise them to not fail so much. If your healer core breaks at ituziel it isn't getting past laethys. If it barely gets past ituziel it may still break at laethys. And by the time you get to ituziel, that is the healing, tank, or Dps core you bought. You can't make a BMW out of corolla parts, not that there is anything wrong with corollas in the first place.

Sometimes that's all your healing core has in them, and that is just reality. They know its them. You know its them. Things just go sour. So you lose your top healer who marries up, and now you're really boned.

I've seen Carollas do crazy stuff once you retune their engines.... Maybe you just need to get change your clerics timing belt?

Cleric healers are less skill intensive in a lot of ways. They are probably the most timing oriented class however.

[tazman]

You can't make a BMW out of corolla parts, not that there is anything wrong with corollas in the first place..

Yah, to bad only 1% of the world can afford a BMW. So does that indicate only 1% of Rift has the skills necessary to down Laythes without a nerf?

To answer someone else's question about how much time dedicated to Laythes; we are currently spending ~7 hours a week out of our alloted 9 progressing hours.

[PFalcon]

Yah, to bad only 1% of the world can afford a BMW. So does that indicate only 1% of Rift has the skills necessary to down Laythes without a nerf?

To answer someone else's question about how much time dedicated to Laythes; we are currently spending ~7 hours a week out of our alloted 9 progressing hours.

You know sadly? Yeah.
Unless you all really take it amongst yourselves to help healers out with guides and tanks on how to take those 17-20k hits. People coming here for help don't get much but posturing and reminders of how they're not getting it done.

[TheGrinnz]

You know sadly? Yeah.
Unless you all really take it amongst yourselves to help healers out with guides and tanks on how to take those 17-20k hits. People coming here for help don't get much but posturing and reminders of how they're not getting it done.

All I've seen when people actually ask for specific help on an ID fight is helpful responses to be honest

[Khuj]

You know sadly? Yeah.
Unless you all really take it amongst yourselves to help healers out with guides and tanks on how to take those 17-20k hits. People coming here for help don't get much but posturing and reminders of how they're not getting it done.

Ohh please. Visit most of the class forums and you'll see most people are ok with lending a helping hand for certain specs and what to do. One thing we won't help you with is consistently holding your hand through the entire process. You're making it seem like if we don't cater to their every whim, we're somehow at fault. If people can't react quickly to certain mechanics, then maybe it's a one-time thing. However, propensity to fail every single time will lead to said member to get kicked or worse, insulted.

It's not a eat or be eaten alive scenario but personal responsibility is a huge part of the fight.

You seem to backup the ******ed or otherwise useless people who want things nerfed to the ground before they have a "fighting" chance at completing instances. It shouldn't work that way. Why not be, you know, reasonable in your goal of defending both sides?

[Matsu]

You know sadly? Yeah.
Unless you all really take it amongst yourselves to help healers out with guides and tanks on how to take those 17-20k hits. People coming here for help don't get much but posturing and reminders of how they're not getting it done.

There's a post on the first page of these very forums specifically about tanking issues on Laethys where people have provided helpful responses. There's a post on the mage forums about Laethys specs that is full of helpful responses. I don't read the other class forums enough to comment.

Maybe you should focus less on being outraged and actually read.

[Hrimnir]

ID as a whole IMO takes the cake for being the best and worst raid instance of all time. There are some freaking AWESOME things about it. The fights that are tuned properly are great fun. Then there is some utterly just downright stupid, doesnt belong in a AAA MMO, *wtf were they thinking*, i mean, EPIC stupid things in the zone. My particular favorite is Maelforge being mostly unhittable by melee dps. Gotta love that one. The only reason there hasn't been anuerysms and veins exploding into volcanoes of high pressure blood is because there are some really badly tuned fights holding back many of the guilds.

Ituziel is too hard, period, especially for being a second boss in the wing. I know i'm gonna catch hell for this, but frankly i dont care. You just dont base a raid zone and tune it to the top 200-250 players in the entire game, not if you have any intention of keeping the other several thousand (or possible 10's of thousands) who are beating their heads against ID stuff week after week.

I mean, when we can in 1 night clear out the bosses, 1 shot aky, go into ID, 1 shot Drak, 1 shot Mak, and then basically have to either skip attempts on Ituz because we dont have just that exact right raid makeup, or still try to do him and get him to sub 5% multiple times but not quite beat that enrage timer. Yeah, its overtuned, period. Especially when i *know* we would learn and defeat conclave in less than 2 weeks, maybe 3 weeks at most.

[Cammyle]

What happened to actually having to spend time learning a boss before beating it? Maybe you really want a game where you automatically get loot as long as you can do 4k dps and move out of fire but that sounds like a terrible game to me and I'm glad laethys isn't like that.

[Salazar666]

What they meant was no more Sicaron contracts that instantly kill the raid. Just things that probably will result in a wipe and it's not as clear whose fault it was.

maelforge has a mechanics pretty much similar to a contract, that can be very devastating in phase 4. I LOVE IT

[Bluelightt]

Ituziel is too hard, period, especially for being a second boss in the wing. I know i'm gonna catch hell for this, but frankly i dont care. You just dont base a raid zone and tune it to the top 200-250 players in the entire game, not if you have any intention of keeping the other several thousand (or possible 10's of thousands) who are beating their heads against ID stuff week after week.

I mean, when we can in 1 night clear out the bosses, 1 shot aky, go into ID, 1 shot Drak, 1 shot Mak, and then basically have to either skip attempts on Ituz because we dont have just that exact right raid makeup, or still try to do him and get him to sub 5% multiple times but not quite beat that enrage timer. Yeah, its overtuned, period. Especially when i *know* we would learn and defeat conclave in less than 2 weeks, maybe 3 weeks at most.

Its overtuned because you can 1 shot easy bosses that give tons of room for error and not kill ituziel? Not the best basis for argument I would say. If you are hitting Enrage at Sub 5% then obviously you are very close and just need to eek out a little more DPS. Are you using every possible DPS advantage? Using crit potions on everyone between Earthern Barrage uptime? Not overhealing the encounter? Try working on what you can do, as a guild, to improve instead of just calling it overtuned.

This encounter doesn't even require that specific of a setup...nothing like Laethys anyway. So I am not sure where the "we don't have the exact right raid makeup" comes into play, there is a lot of room to switch things around whether you want multiple ae chloros or Inquisicars instead, etc.

[Zyzyx]

ID as a whole IMO takes the cake for being the best and worst raid instance of all time. There are some freaking AWESOME things about it. The fights that are tuned properly are great fun. Then there is some utterly just downright stupid, doesnt belong in a AAA MMO, *wtf were they thinking*, i mean, EPIC stupid things in the zone. My particular favorite is Maelforge being mostly unhittable by melee dps. Gotta love that one. The only reason there hasn't been anuerysms and veins exploding into volcanoes of high pressure blood is because there are some really badly tuned fights holding back many of the guilds.

Ituziel is too hard, period, especially for being a second boss in the wing. I know i'm gonna catch hell for this, but frankly i dont care. You just dont base a raid zone and tune it to the top 200-250 players in the entire game, not if you have any intention of keeping the other several thousand (or possible 10's of thousands) who are beating their heads against ID stuff week after week.

I mean, when we can in 1 night clear out the bosses, 1 shot aky, go into ID, 1 shot Drak, 1 shot Mak, and then basically have to either skip attempts on Ituz because we dont have just that exact right raid makeup, or still try to do him and get him to sub 5% multiple times but not quite beat that enrage timer. Yeah, its overtuned, period. Especially when i *know* we would learn and defeat conclave in less than 2 weeks, maybe 3 weeks at most.

The only problem with ituziel is that if you mess up the tank swap the whole raid effectively wipes.

[Sharogy]

ituziel is not even close to tightly tuned, it went down during id opening day 1 to atleast 30 guilds, and many more killed it after, u can however complain laethys beeing overtuned since it is not the last boss.

[Hadezz]

ituziel is not even close to tightly tuned, it went down during id opening day 1 to atleast 30 guilds, and many more killed it after, u can however complain laethys beeing overtuned since it is not the last boss.

I see nothing wrong with the dragon bosses taking almost if not full BiS from previous bosses to be doable by the average guild. Especially with ID marks being easily attainable outside of the instance. People are still receiving upgrades every week and as the weapons/hexs keep rolling out people will eventually down her. Some are very close already.

TBH i'd even go as far to say Laethys was perfectly tuned, i see nothing wrong with needing 20 exceptional players ontop of their game to beat a newly released boss with mostly previous tiers weapons/gear.

I do see something wrong with nerfing a boss because people with previous tier gear or a raid with mostly sub-par players cannot beat it.

Hopefully won't be seeing any nerfs for another 3-4weeks

as far as not being the last boss,, Maelforge was severely undertuned

[Sebb]

The only problem with ituziel is that if you mess up the tank swap the whole raid effectively wipes.

Plenty of fights will wipe the raid by a fail tank swap. The only thing wrong with that mechanic is that it takes tanks much more skill to get their achieve.

[Zyzyx]

Plenty of fights will wipe the raid by a fail tank swap. The only thing wrong with that mechanic is that it takes tanks much more skill to get their achieve.

Ive seen tanks die on every boss in ID just to get rezed back up and keep going. (Our healers are good I swear!)