Warrior DPS, a useless liability in raids.

[Durango]

Ranger on it's own is fine I agree. It's well balanced against other class dummy parses. Having an abundance of range dps however is a crutch that allows guilds to remove a lot of difficulty from a fight through spread strategy. Imagine how much fun Silgen is with 7 melee dps.

Eh? basically the same as it is now. Proper placement is your friend.

[bourbon]

i agree with the OP

[Zaiana]

No actually. Rogues currently do not have a useful competitive melee spec.

NB is below warrior melee specs and really isn't competitive. Its AoE is also very bad.
BD is the same.
Bloodstalker is non-viable in almost all fights in ID. It insta gibbs on Ituziel and Rusilia. It has worse range damage than warrior on conclave and no AoE. It is non-viable on Laethys due to mechanics. Boulder mechanic forces rogues to ranged Mak unless you attempt to cheese the fight in which case it has no AoE. no AoE also puts it way subpar on Drak and other fights in ID.

Viable rogue DPS builds ATM are Ranger and Sab.

You could be completely correct about this, I don't know enough about Rogues to say, but my point was more the rogue melee dps builds SHOULD do more damage than the ranged dps builds.

[Domey]

When warriors get a dps spec that actually requires some skill to play then they can start complaining about having to deal with more mechanics because they are melee.

Signed, a mage.(I have hk geared alts and know how to play them)

[mistacrowley420]

When warriors get a dps spec that actually requires some skill to play then they can start complaining about having to deal with more mechanics because they are melee.

Signed, a mage.(I have hk geared alts and know how to play them)

Because rogues doing 4k with 2 macros from a 30m range is srs bizness.

[mistacrowley420]

Also i've seen bloodstalker on Ituziel, it's not an instagib. You say there are no disadvantages to melee when it's warriors but go on to list them for your calling. Ironic.

[Zaiana]

When warriors get a dps spec that actually requires some skill to play then they can start complaining about having to deal with more mechanics because they are melee.

Signed, a mage.(I have hk geared alts and know how to play them)

Err, you can master a rotation just fine at a high skill level, on any class. Mechanics that simply prevent you from doing damage for X amount of time in every fight, are somewhat of a greater handicap.

[LockedOn666]

Err, you can master a rotation just fine at a high skill level, on any class. Mechanics that simply prevent you from doing damage for X amount of time in every fight, are somewhat of a greater handicap.

says the warrior.

[Aguni]

Because rogues doing 4k with 2 macros from a 30m range is srs bizness.

I think he was referring to mages who don't use macros.
Defilemancer is the most difficult spec to master.

Oh what's that? Need to move? Risk losing combust stacks, lose 15% damage t all spells.

Makes me missing building storm.

[Durango]

Also i've seen bloodstalker on Ituziel, it's not an instagib. You say there are no disadvantages to melee when it's warriors but go on to list them for your calling. Ironic.

Doubtful. Port puts on top of Ituziel which means you take the tank puddle which means you die. Have a nice day.

[mistacrowley420]

Doubtful. Port puts on top of Ituziel which means you take the tank puddle which means you die. Have a nice day.

Ask other rogues, they've done it.

[Berzz]

Do melee warriors really expect to be top DPS hitting 111 then a finisher? Dont argue about managing 1-2 extra dots in the 13/2. Ask your dev for some better class tuning.

If so that disgusts me.

Ituziel you can have a very melee friendly strat where melee have to move on one wave. Thats the only ST epeen fight in the game, so i wouldnt be mad.

Ituziel/Maklamos/Rusilia/Conclave EZ mode/Laethys are all melee friendly.

However I do agree with your QQin on Maelforge though. Not sure why Trion would isolate one calling on the most fun..probably most challenging boss in the current state of the game. Maybe wait until all stages of the fight are seen? I doubt it would change anything.

[mistacrowley420]

I don't know why this thread is thought to be warriors wanting top dps, shows how uncontructive it has gotten. The topic from the op is about melee dps being a liability in raids, not OMGIWANTTOTOPDACHARTS. It has gotten lost in arguments and I am partly to blame for that. For those of you posting now though that is the topic in the thread.

[Mr Sandman]

I don't understand how guilds are tanking emberlord that makes it impossible for melee to get uptime on him... I would estimate my up time at around 70%, which is by no means great but it's much better than 0% melee up time and having to rely on ranged attacks. Not gonna bother arguing with rogues in this thread, they rarely experience what we have to and so know little to nothing about it.

Admittedly there are a fair amount of anti-melee mechanics in ID, disproportionate to that of anti-ranged, but to sit warriors for bosses because of these mechanics is ridiculous because I've never not been at least close to the top parsers in every fight. Despite anti-melee mechanics a warrior can be used in every fight in ID, sitting warriors just loses them marks and gear and I wouldn't raid with a guild who sat me because melee has a tougher time than ranged.

[Durango]

Ask other rogues, they've done it.

Mechanics seem to elude you.