Akylios isn't easy

[Ianto Jones]

when i do silgen i have time to leisurely walk out of the heat funnel...

which makes me wonder: why don't you?

[Redcruxs]

which makes me wonder: why don't you?

don't want to make you guys look bad! just watching out for the guild you know...

[PFalcon]

Silgen may be the hardest fight to ping elitists. I suppose it is the new litmus test they'll use for bads versus pros since it's true that not every player has a buffer when heat funnel gets put down (and they like it that way). Then again, like someone else said, they might as well replace their sig achievements with computer specs if they're going to posture like that.

Silgen is a personal awareness check, but it has next to no team dynamics. Only thing the team has to do:
A. Don't steamcleave your group as a tethered tank.
B. Don't stand on someone else's tether pad and give them a nice friendly heat funnel there.

If Silgen is your brand of hard, you just like to play that familiar blame game. Akylios is a much more complex raid fight. Devs won't follow you out on that limb if you're going to posture about how silgen is the final boss now.

Even with the nerfs, Akylios is a sound endgame boss for a sophomore season MMO.

[Tagliavini]

Combine them all and you got it. First, it started as a mathmatical imposibility to kill with too much dmg going out and bugs to kill.

Then it was a *block with the hit and toughness debuff and requirements to kill him.

Then it was natural loss of poeple due to stress and frustration, leading to the need to regear the new people to the lvl need to not die.

head against wall -> nerf/fix -> more head beating -> nerf/co*kblock removal-> close kill, lost more people, rebuilt -> nerf -> tops killed -> nerf -> next kills - > NERF -> everyone else kills.

I appreciate the answer as it sums up my questions nicely. If I never see another "Doing eye & phylactery for the new guys" log on message again it'll be too soon.

[Sebb]

Silgen may be the hardest fight to ping elitists. I suppose it is the new litmus test they'll use for bads versus pros since it's true that not every player has a buffer when heat funnel gets put down (and they like it that way). Then again, like someone else said, they might as well replace their sig achievements with computer specs if they're going to posture like that.

Silgen is a personal awareness check, but it has next to no team dynamics. Only thing the team has to do:
A. Don't steamcleave your group as a tethered tank.
B. Don't stand on someone else's tether pad and give them a nice friendly heat funnel there.

If Silgen is your brand of hard, you just like to play that familiar blame game. Akylios is a much more complex raid fight. Devs won't follow you out on that limb if you're going to posture about how silgen is the final boss now.

Even with the nerfs, Akylios is a sound endgame boss for a sophomore season MMO.

I'd agree that Silgen is a personal awareness check - a skill that's pretty important imo. So is sicaron. In both cases, one person screwing up can wipe a raid either immediately or through the dps check.

Grug on the other hand is the team dynamic check. Darktide somewhat as well.

[JimboTCB]

Is this really true? Our guild got to 10/11 last week finally (17 man Darktide ftw!) and our first attempt on Akylios didn't come until Sunday, after the nerf. We went in expecting to wipe alot, but we got to P3 in an hour and half and decided to take a break on Akylios for the night. And come back strong next week.

I figured P3 and P4 were still the hardest even after the changes. This gives me hope!

P1/2 are still pretty unforgiving, and have more mechanics that are easy to die on now IMO. The waves are still instant kills in phase 1 (although you can still res people unless you're unluck and they die right at the end of the phase), you're likely to have two separate sets of adds up at once unless you're pushing very good single target DPS, there's one/two different adds up at once which must be interrupted reliably or they'll kill a few people each time, there's geysers which can spawn just about anywhere in range... and of course there's the incredibly difficult mechanic of "jumping across a small gap" which still manages to kill people on a hilariously regular basis. And there's the general irritation of there being a whole mess of crap all over the place and a much smaller area to work in.

The main thing is that most of the tricky stuff in terms of splitting your DPS between lashers/stingers and stacking for Suffocating Orb is introduced in phase 2. Phase 3 onwards is pretty much more of the same plus Mind Decay (just need to pretend it's Orb and stack in the same place), breaths (which are now telegraphed by a raid warning) and tidal waves (which don't really do much at all now).

[MajPayne21]

and of course there's the incredibly difficult mechanic of "jumping across a small gap" which still manages to kill people on a hilariously regular basis.

This is by far my favorite part of the fight. We've also had a mage get Suffocating Orb, not realize it for 3 seconds, then PANIC and think he's running out of time, so he flickered to try to get to the melee group.... Well, he flickered a little too much and ended up flickering OFF the platform. We LOL'd, but then we 1% wiped to Akylios that attempt after the enrage timer, so it was sort of lame.

We also have melee occasionally run off the edges while fighting lashers. There are actually a few spots where the terrain will make you "mini jump" if you run full speed off of a high spot, and you can have just enough momentum to carry you off the edge, which is also hilarious.

In other news, we pulled Jornaru for the first time two weeks before the nerf. We got 3 attempts on him, didn't get out of P1. The next week we got to P3 several times, then the nerf came out and we downed him yesterday.

I can say with absolute confidence that we would still be on P4 with wave wipes over and over again if the waves knocked people off. The other nerfs we could handle, but people just autopilot through the waves now because they know they can.

I got Bane of Madness from our first kill though, so I'm happy enough.

[Pooshonmyshoos]

Did that person die in p1? I'm sure you still need more than 30 water resist for the fight. Also they couldn't have thrown on a sigil full of green essences? I smell troll.

I am sure Aik is doable sans WR.

But it eliminates so many RNG Random AOE/Orb deaths in P2.

[sculti]

I am sure Aik is doable sans WR.

But it eliminates so many RNG Random AOE/Orb deaths in P2.

true that
he didnt die at all but orbs got him to <10%

id still prefer as much water resist as possible

[Magipants]

I don't get why people say "not yet" or "too soon" about these nerfs. Its been over 5 months since akylios was first killed and a new instance is coming in ~1 month. It's perfectly fine that they nerfed akylios so that more guilds can go 11/11 before ID comes out and start prepping for that instead of slamming their face against akylios.

If you look at WoW's dragon soul raid (released November 29th), they are already on the 2nd version of their "raid nerf" mechanic. All raid mob and boss damage was reduced by 5% in late january, and it was reduced by a total of 10% just a week or two ago. Thats 2-3months and they are doing sweeping "nerfs" to increase the ease of entry.

I know people feel cheated out of a epic kill and i sympathize with that. When should they have nerfed it? 6months after the first kill? once 800people have killed it? well then the people that need 7months or the 801st person will complain about the same thing.

This. Silgen's not difficult, either. Just more open to RNG-****ing the raid.

Also, @MajPayne: Gz on the kill, saw you guys lighting up 50 chat last night with your loot, lol.

[The Real Viz Shady]

Sometimes murdantix kills 7 of us. Kid you not.
We wipe on average twice on Silgen.
HK takes us three hours from start to finish, and the new aky changes don't affect that by a single minute.

Elitists are always going to run just far enough away from the masses who they consider inferior, draw a line, and say THAT is the cutoff between bad and pro. The more the masses achieve, the further they run to draw new arbitrary lines. In their heads there MUST be a difference between them and common people. It's a pathologic obsession among their kind.

About all you can do is just keep taking their prizes away from them and seeing how silly their new goals become in their sigs.

I don't know if it's funny, sad or both that people are even starting to put dates and alt runs in their sigs.

[MajPayne21]

This. Silgen's not difficult, either. Just more open to RNG-****ing the raid.

Also, @MajPayne: Gz on the kill, saw you guys lighting up 50 chat last night with your loot, lol.

We were really happy, considering we didn't spend too long progressing on him. The nerfs were kind of upsetting because we wanted to feel like we had fought the "OG" Akylios instead of the nerfed version, but I know it would have taken us a month to get through P4 with original waves.

We cleared 10/11 tonight, so hopefully we'll down him again tomorrow night.

[LockedOn666]

This. Silgen's not difficult, either. Just more open to RNG-****ing the raid.

Also, @MajPayne: Gz on the kill, saw you guys lighting up 50 chat last night with your loot, lol.

rng on silgen? LOLOLOL

[Valavus]

rng on silgen? LOLOLOL

Yeah..only RNG there is Heat Funnel. And that damn thing Wants.Me.Dead.

Can't tell ya how many times it's changed direction 3 times in 2 seconds just to kill me.

[Jinjah]

Yeah..only RNG there is Heat Funnel. And that damn thing Wants.Me.Dead.

Can't tell ya how many times it's changed direction 3 times in 2 seconds just to kill me.

I see stuff like this too much.

If it's avoidable it is NOT an rng death.