Akylios isn't easy

[Riane]

Going to Akylios on the night it was nerfed definitely showed how much it changed. I enjoyed having to deal with stress on the fight when a breath/bore/wave came through... but with the changes, it was more or less just still avoiding waves but it's an entirely different fight now. It's not really a favorite anymore.

In fact, I really don't know what other fights feel "harder" to me. Silgen is fun, Grug is fun, RK is.. meh a shirtstorm if you're in a pug but in a guild it flies by.

[batou079]

I'd wager Akylios still takes the longest to learn the first time of any boss in HK.

I'm only disappointed that once you have mastered P3, its smooth sailing to a kill, when P4 used to be this crazy climax. I wish they had nerfed everything to keep the feeling of climax in place.

And I wish it had happened after ID was released.

True true. We arent quite mastered P3 yet, but im sure once that is down, P4 will not be too bad considering we hammer P1 and P2 almost 100% now. I agree, they could have handled Aky nerfs a little better, by making it so the ramp-up in difficulty between each phase went from easiest to hardest, rather than mostly hard to hardest, to a little easier and finally easiest...

But, changes are made according to Trion's timetable, not ours.
So i will roll with the punches. My frustrations were mostly with 11/11 farming guilds with the over-elitist attitudes of Akylios difficulty; acting like even progression guilds should 1-shot him or they are scrubs... rofl

[Hijati]

How is he trouble considering we downed him? For someone like urself who cleared HK 3 days from when i first entered HK I feel our rate of progression is pefect. You just sound like an idiot.

If YOU entered HK 3 days before MY GUILD downed Akylios and you just downed him...yet you put in so much time on him...then one you need to get a life and two you had it handed to YOU (good job to your guild for carrying you...j/k) and your progression is what Trion wants. But, I couldn't care less about how much time it took you the fight itself is easy and my previous statement still stands.

[Tagliavini]

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Yea I'm pretty aware of your accomplishments and the other top guilds. Though I'm new to the game I'm not new to raiding heavily, so I checked out who were "kings of the hill" so to speak when I started in case I ever wanted to do that again.

The completion rate seems really low for the instance for how long it has been out, and being someone who is in business I know that less does not equal more in a monetary sense. So it made me wonder if it was a population issue, a difficulty issue, an interest issue, or was there a built in wall that had to be surpassed by gear, etc. to finally compete it. Tuning it down at this point really doesn't matter as there has been plenty of time for people who were truly hardcore to get it done.

[grimtoc]

So it made me wonder if it was a population issue, a difficulty issue, an interest issue, or was there a built in wall that had to be surpassed by gear, etc. to finally compete it.

Combine them all and you got it. First, it started as a mathmatical imposibility to kill with too much dmg going out and bugs to kill.

Then it was a *block with the hit and toughness debuff and requirements to kill him.

Then it was natural loss of poeple due to stress and frustration, leading to the need to regear the new people to the lvl need to not die.

head against wall -> nerf/fix -> more head beating -> nerf/co*kblock removal-> close kill, lost more people, rebuilt -> nerf -> tops killed -> nerf -> next kills - > NERF -> everyone else kills.

[Carinae]

Part of it depends on how you define difficulty.

Silgen is currently the hardest DPS check. But really it has TWO mechanics that aren't completely trivial, the Anchor and flames. Its also quite possibly the hardest individual encounter, but it requires almost no raid coordination.

Akylios has by far the most mechanics and its the longest encounter. There's individual mechanics, group coordination, interrupts, movement... Yes, Phase 4 is has been heavily nerfed but its still a far complex encounter than anything else in the game. This is the one encounter in the game that has EVERYTHING.

[intrinsc]

It has become to myself more and more apparent during progression that people who can perform individual mechanics very well can also perform coordination mechanics very well, but that people that can perform coordination mechanics within a 20man raid aren't always backwards compatible with the former. Just my opinion, however. That is why I would rate Silgen as hardest boss because its good at identifying the individual goods which will be group exceptional from the group goods that will be individual bad. This observation goes back to my beginnings of raiding in Rift a year ago to today.

[Praedor]

it kind of depends on the class doesnt it?
As a DPS warrior this fight was never difficult.
Id say the biggest problem with the fight over its life cycle is most people can reliably get into P3 or P4, but thats still a good 7-10 minutes into the fight. So in order to get solid attempts on the later part of the boss you have to invest a ton of time. Thats not a problem for top end raiding guilds as its part of the deal, but for shakeweight guilds that is a RL conflict.

[Primalthirst]

There are no fights that are even vaguely mechanically difficult anymore.

Some of the DPS checks are still fairly difficult at the appropriate gear level.
But mechanically, no, everything is a joke.

Even achievements like Vengeance is Mine are very easy these days.

[sculti]

our 3rd raid did kill him in its 2nd try ever
first try was a stupid p1 wipe

17 people managed to reach the final plattform, mt-heal cleric didnt, 1/3 tanks was dead for 4 minutes cause we didnt have any battlerezzes left, we had 4 people from /50-chat, 6 chars had 4 pieces HH-bonus + we had a rogue with this http://i.imgur.com/HDIZV.jpg gear

its doable

[Ladara]

our 3rd raid did kill him in its 2nd try ever
first try was a stupid p1 wipe

17 people managed to reach the final plattform, mt-heal cleric didnt, 1/3 tanks was dead for 4 minutes cause we didnt have any battlerezzes left, we had 4 people from /50-chat, 6 chars had 4 pieces HH-bonus + we had a rogue with this http://i.imgur.com/HDIZV.jpg gear

its doable

Did that person die in p1? I'm sure you still need more than 30 water resist for the fight. Also they couldn't have thrown on a sigil full of green essences? I smell troll.

[bamabenny]

Silgen is easily the hardest fight in the game now.

Been saying the same thing ever since I read about the nerf. Tough times =/

[sculti]

Did that person die in p1? I'm sure you still need more than 30 water resist for the fight. Also they couldn't have thrown on a sigil full of green essences? I smell troll.

no
he even was in meleecamp absorbing orbs

and im not trolling, just check his achievements, that char is fresh 50, did 1 gsb/ros run and we needed a 20th so we just invited him
he got gloves+helmet+bow so he had the hit for aky

ofcause others had better gear than that

[Eclipze]

Been saying the same thing ever since I read about the nerf. Tough times =/

Like it even matters for you, you just sit there and afk for the whole fight

[Redcruxs]

"silgen is the hardest fight in Rift"

LOL silgen is easier than any fight in HK

its a latency/PC check, if you fail the check you have the fight on "hardmode"

when i do silgen i have time to leisurely walk out of the heat funnel... did you know there is about half a second to a full second where the funnel spawns and just sits there doing no damage before it first ticks and starts moving? aside from that, whats hard? a person spamming a cleanse macro? no... minor AoE damage every 6 seconds? no...


on topic: i agree with the OP

99% of the people whining about akylios are people that have:

A) already killed him before nerfs

or

B) wiped so many times on him that they could do the phase 1, 2, and 3 mechanics in their sleep

newsflash: OF COURSE ITS EASY FOR YOU, how long did it take your guild to get to phase 3/4? weeks? its the same with any guild just now coming to akylios. they have to get past phases 1 and 2 which are unchanged before they even see the effect of the nerf