Question about Zimara post hotfix

[BigD225]

Last night my guild wiped against zamira for a couple of hours. We are currently 6/11 but couldn't down Zamira last night for some reason and we couldn't figure out why. We could get to the third book and then after we used the third book(which is the last book for us) our tanks were just getting one shotted all the time. Idk if this has anything to do with the patch or what the problem is. If anyone else is having this problem please let me know as it was very frustrating last night to go from working on Sicaron a few days ago to wiping on Zamira for 2 hours. Let me know how you fixed or how you set up your heals if you were encountering this problem. Thanks.

[DarkFalls]

Did your tanks use to back pedal to avoid Ichor + Auto attack right away that sometimes happens? If so then more than likely the tanks just need more gear :x

[Nefaruis]

The only time a tank will be one shot on zamira is sub 30% with more than like 30 stacks of gestation as long as they are running with the appropriate death dmg mitigation. While with your standard method of killing her is the zerg her down method I have to assume you have the DPS to avoid that situation. SO, I highly doubt your tanks are getting 1 shot but rather taking ichor+melee at nearly the same time where your healers are not used to this dmg as the tanks likely danced in and out of the melee hits before. We run dedicated puri healers on both tanks and a synth swapping chloro sub 30 and a couple different icar builds as our heal loadout.

[Drathek]

We run 1 puri then 2 sent/wardens I believe as well as a chloro on raid heals I think. Toss in an inquisicar and cabalist or cabicar and are good usually

Though it did take us like 6 attempts last night, but we were 19 manning the first 5 tries - wiping at 3% twice was sad lol.

Depends on your dps and book strategy. I found I was getting hit hard by ichor last night in my normal 51vk build for it with max death resists starting around 23 stacks which thankfully was right about near the bosses death

[Bluelightt]

Try to release the 1st and 2nd tome later (as in higher stacks) so that you can have relatively low stacks sub-30% so Ichor doesn't hit so hard.

[Sebb]

Last night did feel different. She still shadow barraged randomly even though I was in melee range. And then there is the fun stuff about mitigation skills not working properly. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be hit for 10k with an ichor after poping singularity.

Fusion of the Flesh also wasn't working last night against her. I wasn't able to go through the combat log, but I wasnt losing stacks of FOF despite being ichored.

[BigD225]

Thanks for the help guys. I thought it might just be a tank gear issue because we did recently loose one of our main tanks since he just decided to move servers and guild without any warning to use and did it about an hour before raid time so gear could be an issue. We also had problems with shadow barrage. I guess we'll have to try popping the earlier books at higher stacks and maybe switch our heal around a little bit and hopefully we can get past this hump.

[Drathek]

Ya. Singularity and FoF seemed not to work yesterday for me at least either and shadow barrage ***** our tanks multiple times despite being in melee

What we've found works best for us with our raid dps is this - pop the first book around 70% or 27 stacks or so

Use healers covenant on the 2 tanks (we use cleric/warrior to tank matron, second warrior does adds)

Pop second book at 20 stacks. No healers covenants. Off tank uses aid/rally command

Third book pops around 24 stacks or 31%. Right before ichor starts. Use cocvenants again

Burn boss ftw.

[Sebb]

Ya. Singularity and FoF seemed not to work yesterday for me at least either and shadow barrage ***** our tanks multiple times despite being in melee

What we've found works best for us with our raid dps is this - pop the first book around 70% or 27 stacks or so

Use healers covenant on the 2 tanks (we use cleric/warrior to tank matron, second warrior does adds)

Pop second book at 20 stacks. No healers covenants. Off tank uses aid/rally command

Third book pops around 24 stacks or 31%. Right before ichor starts. Use cocvenants again

Burn boss ftw.

Interesting. We do first 2 tomes around 30 stacks (70%/42%ish). Then 3rd tome around 15-20 stacks.

[Ahov]

Ya. Singularity and FoF seemed not to work yesterday for me at least either and shadow barrage ***** our tanks multiple times despite being in melee

What we've found works best for us with our raid dps is this - pop the first book around 70% or 27 stacks or so

Use healers covenant on the 2 tanks (we use cleric/warrior to tank matron, second warrior does adds)

Pop second book at 20 stacks. No healers covenants. Off tank uses aid/rally command

Third book pops around 24 stacks or 31%. Right before ichor starts. Use cocvenants again

Burn boss ftw.

Isn't shadow barrage physical damage?

@OP: Anyways, for this fight it's a matter of having the proper healer. Purifiers are absolutely vital to not only keeping tanks topped off but preventing instagibs by shielding the damage. This is probably the only fight in Hammerknell I would recommend a 51 purifier, but 34/32 certainly works and is generally what I use.

When learning the fight (and/if you can afford the dps loss) it's an excellent idea to use a 51 warden to keep hots rolling on both tanks, along with a cabicar for healing through the add phase. Really, there's no reason not to have a cabicar, as the dps loss is minimal compared to a standard dps 51 cab.

[Primalthirst]

1. Pop tome at 55%
2. Pop tome at 25%
3. ???
4. Profit $$$

[lgw]

We did it like that last time, when our Mage screwed up.
Killed the 1st add too fast and forgot about the CD, as he just saw Zamira getting close to 40% -- we then had a complete sub 40% phase w/o tome.

But once your tanks learn to spot during Ichor, use Singularity and your Chloro(s) support with Natural Conversion, things become way more controlable. Plus proper Cleric healers with as mentioned above are vital until you overgear it.

[devilryuji]

Interesting. We do first 2 tomes around 30 stacks (70%/42%ish). Then 3rd tome around 15-20 stacks.

anything from 58-70% for first tome is Ideal.

second tome then at 34-40%.

Ichors will then start at fresh stacks@ ~30%. Burn boss then pop third asap when off CD upstairs, then burn to finish.

We killed him with 2 tomes the last 2 weeks >.< 1 at 60% 2 at 34%. Achievement is at 60%, rogue tank helps.

[cwharland]

We run 1 puri then 2 sent/wardens I believe as well as a chloro on raid heals I think. Toss in an inquisicar and cabalist or cabicar and are good usually

Though it did take us like 6 attempts last night, but we were 19 manning the first 5 tries - wiping at 3% twice was sad lol.

Depends on your dps and book strategy. I found I was getting hit hard by ichor last night in my normal 51vk build for it with max death resists starting around 23 stacks which thankfully was right about near the bosses death

Invert your healing (2x puri/sent and 1x warden/sent) and have your tanks go 26vk/21rv/19pl and you'll find it is significantly smoother in the end. Kudos for doing semi hard mode though.