Another case of 10m loot being better than 20m loot?

[intrinsc]

I hope there's a 50+dps 2H somewhere to be found in there.

[Kragorn]

I don't understand whats wrong with it being HK levels, HK has been nerfed to the ground completely...

Because over-exaggerations are needed to try to keep the e-peeners thinking they're so superior to everyone else?

Couldn't think of an original phrase so you use one that's years old? It's not true of course, but at least had it been original, it may have had some impact.

Please try harder.

[Pines]

I hope there's a 50+dps 2H somewhere to be found in there.

Sure, and it will drop right around the time the next tier of dungeons are introduced.

[Cromagis]

Sure, and it will drop right around the time the next tier of dungeons are introduced.

You mean when they decide to re-add the warrior class? If not - what? I already have a 50+ dps wep. :I

[rofltehcat]

What I am seeing here: A bunch of very well itemized items.
What I am seeing in HK: Stuff without endurance, strength or dex; Trinkets with horrible proc chances and weak effects;

What I saw in the other 10mans: Pretty well itemized items, often slightly better than GSB/RoS gear.
What I saw in GSB/RoS: Itemisation was ok overall although also hade some mis-itemisations... still better than in HK

What I am asking myself: What monkey itemized HK?

10mans dropping good gear is ok, after all every HK raider will be able to get them without any problems and even if they are itemized better, it is just by a few points. What I am pretty annoyed about is that HK itemisation is so horrible. Those items here aren't too good if the instance is HK-level difficulty and the final boss maybe even Akylios difficulty. Again: Those items aren't too good. HK gear is just too bad.

[Nnnxia]

er.. most important question:

Where is trinket?

[Arcanas]

Yup.......rise of the phoenix seems to have loot that be better than HK loot. [/url]

Its the same tier loot and some items may be slightly better than some HK drops (they have to give 11/11 guilds some reason to go there besides greater marks), but overall i think its fine. It will help the less geared guilds equip faster to get through Akylios.

[BrownsMageNerfDelivery]

What I am asking myself: What monkey itemized HK?

I'd have to agree. It's kind of ridiculous when our guild's main tank is running regular CC to try to get a trinket that is better than the tank trinket from upstairs as far as procs go. And looking at the new SHoE from Inwar...this is supposed to be a "major" upgrade over a T2 healing trinket?

Blah, my main complaint is if the new 10 man is undertuned and people who are failing at lasers (yes, I hear they do exist), unable to figure out how to position idols in a simple grid or stand in the purple puddles Grugonim drops for the super-secret buff can go get good gear from pinatas. And I have no illusions about getting that gear myself because when I do go do this 10 man, every drop will be for cleric tanks or pure healers.

[IonCannon]

yeah the ring is better but the loot itself isn't going to top our relic gear.

[iamsil]

fine by me as long as the place isn't a ****** cakewalk that people pug (dh/gp lol)

[Qia]

fine by me as long as the place isn't a ****** cakewalk that people pug (dh/gp lol)

Yes, GP was pugged from day 1, becacuse it was so easy.

Oh, wait... it wasn't like that.

[Sebb]

What I am seeing here: A bunch of very well itemized items.
What I am seeing in HK: Stuff without endurance, strength or dex; Trinkets with horrible proc chances and weak effects;

What I saw in the other 10mans: Pretty well itemized items, often slightly better than GSB/RoS gear.
What I saw in GSB/RoS: Itemisation was ok overall although also hade some mis-itemisations... still better than in HK

What I am asking myself: What monkey itemized HK?

10mans dropping good gear is ok, after all every HK raider will be able to get them without any problems and even if they are itemized better, it is just by a few points. What I am pretty annoyed about is that HK itemisation is so horrible. Those items here aren't too good if the instance is HK-level difficulty and the final boss maybe even Akylios difficulty. Again: Those items aren't too good. HK gear is just too bad.

+1!!!

/10char

[Primalthirst]

I'd have to agree. It's kind of ridiculous when our guild's main tank is running regular CC to try to get a trinket that is better than the tank trinket from upstairs as far as procs go. And looking at the new SHoE from Inwar...this is supposed to be a "major" upgrade over a T2 healing trinket?

Our Justicar tank has our only Sunken Heart of the Eons and his parses show it putting out about double the healing the Sacred Heirloom of the Eth did. Seems like it has a minor healing upgrade but a reasonably large proc rate upgrade.

On topicish: HK itemisation is terrible, at least RotP looks like it may have been made with forum complaints in mind.

[Angelamongus]

well the dropped helm is pretty damn close to the greater mark helm

the rings are better.

it just seems slightlyyyy over itemized. the instance itself is tuned pretty well though asides from those 3 miniboss pinatas

oh and look at the tanking dagger i posted...44.7dps Read more carefully

I know how to read, and I wasn't particularly useing your examples, as I have run the instance already and the first weapon to drop for us was a tanking axe that was 40.2 dps or so. so unless they buffed it in the last week there are still 40 dps weapons in there and you got lucky and found one that doesn't fit that category. Either way..it still stands the Relic Gear, the trinkets that will surely be buffed even more soon, And Synergy crystals out of normal Hk will barely make this worth running.

If you don't like Raids of the SAME tier dropping the SAME tier loot then go play another game, cause you will be back in these forums QQing in about a month and a half again.

[Esphryl]

Apparently you have not been in or seen HK loot, the items you posted are in fact NOT better than HK items I have seen in the same respected area's. the helm comparison you linked wasn't as good as the HK mark helm and you hadn't even upgraded it to RELIC yet, which btw you will ONLY be able to do in 20 man HK.
Its loot is IN BETWEEN, Ros and HK. The one handers in RoTP are 40 Dps. Ros has 34 dps weapons and HK has 44 dps weapons. Lets not get into this, there are a couple classes that may grab an item or two in there just because they might be higher in one stat and lower in all others and it might be an Upgrade for them but for the most part RoTP is a catch up raid for HK.

Angel I'll take those relics right off of your hands. . still.