Patch 1.8 Crafting Quests

[Vilemon]

As background, I have a level 33 toon I want to use primarily as a crafting toon, with 3 crafting skills. Since I have 3 level 50 toons with gathering skills, they gather mats I need. This toon is now level 300 in Outfitting, Apothecary and Artificing.

Although I can accept the new quests and prepare the required items, I can't turn them in. I get an "inventory full" message. I just heard from support that I have too many Pure Crystallized Insights and I need to consume them. Of course I can't, because they require level 50.

Apparently Trion has decided that you can't be a high level crafter until you are a 50. Why didn't they let me know before I went to all the trouble of leveling those skills?

[TheGrinnz]

As background, I have a level 33 toon I want to use primarily as a crafting toon, with 3 crafting skills. Since I have 3 level 50 toons with gathering skills, they gather mats I need. This toon is now level 300 in Outfitting, Apothecary and Artificing.

Although I can accept the new quests and prepare the required items, I can't turn them in. I get an "inventory full" message. I just heard from support that I have too many Pure Crystallized Insights and I need to consume them. Of course I can't, because they require level 50.

Apparently Trion has decided that you can't be a high level crafter until you are a 50. Why didn't they let me know before I went to all the trouble of leveling those skills?

The system is designed to expect that characters that have maxed a crafting profession will be 50 shortly if not already, because you need level 45-50 materials. The reward for that particular quest is for level 50 characters, and until recently would even require you to be level 48-50 to turn it in if it was the Ember Isle one. Maybe they will make it so you don't have to be 50 for this either but really I would just level up that character and be done with it.

[Arthritis]

The system is designed to expect that characters that have maxed a crafting profession will be 50 shortly if not already, because you need level 45-50 materials. The reward for that particular quest is for level 50 characters, and until recently would even require you to be level 48-50 to turn it in if it was the Ember Isle one. Maybe they will make it so you don't have to be 50 for this either but really I would just level up that character and be done with it.

Um,...no. This may be the intent of this change implemented by 1.8 but until 1.8 it was entirely possible to max all skills and complete and turn in all crafting dailies by toons nowhere near level 50. I was doing it on and off for a year on my lowbie alts that I leveled from 10 to to their mid-20s by doing nothing else but the crafting dailies...and exploring Ember Isle - something Trion took away with 1.7 along with all my travelstone ports out there. Had I known that Trion was going to make this change I might have focused more on getting all the recipes before they made it so much more involved...

Easy fix, though. Just move the new crafting dailies out to Ember Isle, require a certain level of notoriety from The Farclan and The Keepers to even get them and bring back all the crafting dailies that were removed. Simple. Everyones happy. Except the griefers and those "focused on the rear", of course, but who really cares about them?

[Everfire]

I'm really annoyed now. My crafters are L30 too. I wasn't able to hand them in, then they put the patch through for the hand-in just outside Meridian.

Now I can't hand in ... INVENTORY FULL !

Wow, thank you Trion for screwing up our crafts yet again !

Please fix this so that I can do my crafting dailys and stop giving me L50 only rewards "OR" let me stack these USELESS sourcestones.

[Ravenevar]

Maybe try levelling the alts then? it doesn't take long.

[Everfire]

Maybe try levelling the alts then? it doesn't take long.

If I had tihe time... but that isn't the point! You just don't get it.
I didn't need to have a L50 to get the max of 300 skill points in a trade.

Trion have screwed us all with these changes and NO ANNOUCEMENT that suddenly all the time / money invested in getting your crafters to 300 was going to be totally useless "unless" you also level-led them.

[Dyeus]

Delete crystallized insight.
Turn in quest.
Rejoice.

[Anuhart]

If I had tihe time... but that isn't the point! You just don't get it.
I didn't need to have a L50 to get the max of 300 skill points in a trade.

Trion have screwed us all with these changes and NO ANNOUCEMENT that suddenly all the time / money invested in getting your crafters to 300 was going to be totally useless "unless" you also level-led them.

I had 3 craft alts, they all got into the low 40's by only leaving the city to hand in crafting dailies. Before I sat them on the conveyor belt to 50.
Having a crafting alt doing dailies and NOT leveling is only possible if you lock XP.

That said, "getting your crafters to 300 was going to be totally useless" still has a ring of truth, because those <50 crafters, even when at 50, will need to raid for crafting to have any use, which they most definitely wouldn't be doing <50.

[Everfire]

I had 3 craft alts, they all got into the low 40's by only leaving the city to hand in crafting dailies. Before I sat them on the conveyor belt to 50.
Having a crafting alt doing dailies and NOT leveling is only possible if you lock XP.

That said, "getting your crafters to 300 was going to be totally useless" still has a ring of truth, because those <50 crafters, even when at 50, will need to raid for crafting to have any use, which they most definitely wouldn't be doing <50.

The reason my alts are "crafters" and "not Level 50" is that I simply don't have the time to level them and prior to this "un-announced change" I never needed to.

I've got them as crafters to provide materials/goods for my Main Raiding character. I do NOT ENJOY getting "crystallised Sourcestones" that cannot be stacked past 10! I would rather have artisans marks! Those I can use. Give me a choice as to which reward I want, sourcestones or marks.

Yes I understand that eventually they will be Level 50 simply by handing in crafting quests. But they are not going to be used as 50 characters. If I could've Id've put ALL the crafts on ONE toon. But Trion didn't allow me that option, so I was forced to create a:
ALT A
1) RuneCrafter (to make my raiding runes)
2) OutFitter (to provide materials for my RuneCrafter)
3) Apothecary (to make my pots and potions for my raiding)
ALT B
4) Artificer (to make my powerstones for my raiding)
5) Weaponsmith (makes stuff to sell)
6) Armoursmith (makes stuff to sell)

Remember I just use those that support my main raiding character. Therefore I will not need to RAID with them. Ahh you ask about the "crafting rifts" ... I complete those each week when I need to get Master Craftsmans Marks to buy a new recipe that my main needs to have made. I don't do the crafting rifts.

If I need planar material, then I either purchase or run rifts with my main. And as my main is used 90% of my time on rift, I've set it up for all the gathering crafts - miner, forager and skinner. These mats are used to feed to my crafters and/or used for the AH.

Do you "get it" now? This is why I'm so annoyed with Trion.
... 1st they gave us crafting dailys that you could only hand in at Ember Isle (but they made a change earlier to stop under L50's from getting there).
... 2nd they gave us a crafting reward that we can't possibly use (with subsequent loss of material)
... 3rd that item only stacks to +10, therefore we can't possibly complete unless we trash our reward

Which means:
1) I get no reward for completing a daily craft that I can use
2) The crafting daily is taken up by the above useless one, therefore I miss out again with one less daily.

/sigh

[Tecka]

QFT

The reason my alts are "crafters" and "not Level 50" is that I simply don't have the time to level them and prior to this "un-announced change" I never needed to.

I've got them as crafters to provide materials/goods for my Main Raiding character. I do NOT ENJOY getting "crystallised Sourcestones" that cannot be stacked past 10! I would rather have artisans marks! Those I can use. Give me a choice as to which reward I want, sourcestones or marks.

Yes I understand that eventually they will be Level 50 simply by handing in crafting quests. But they are not going to be used as 50 characters. If I could've Id've put ALL the crafts on ONE toon. But Trion didn't allow me that option, so I was forced to create a:
ALT A
1) RuneCrafter (to make my raiding runes)
2) OutFitter (to provide materials for my RuneCrafter)
3) Apothecary (to make my pots and potions for my raiding)
ALT B
4) Artificer (to make my powerstones for my raiding)
5) Weaponsmith (makes stuff to sell)
6) Armoursmith (makes stuff to sell)

Remember I just use those that support my main raiding character. Therefore I will not need to RAID with them. Ahh you ask about the "crafting rifts" ... I complete those each week when I need to get Master Craftsmans Marks to buy a new recipe that my main needs to have made. I don't do the crafting rifts.

If I need planar material, then I either purchase or run rifts with my main. And as my main is used 90% of my time on rift, I've set it up for all the gathering crafts - miner, forager and skinner. These mats are used to feed to my crafters and/or used for the AH.

Do you "get it" now? This is why I'm so annoyed with Trion.
... 1st they gave us crafting dailys that you could only hand in at Ember Isle (but they made a change earlier to stop under L50's from getting there).
... 2nd they gave us a crafting reward that we can't possibly use (with subsequent loss of material)
... 3rd that item only stacks to +10, therefore we can't possibly complete unless we trash our reward

Which means:
1) I get no reward for completing a daily craft that I can use
2) The crafting daily is taken up by the above useless one, therefore I miss out again with one less daily.

/sigh

"Just level" is not a solution.

[Thorrand]

I'm not seeing the issue here. If you don't want to level the toons to 50 then just delete the insights and you can turn in the quests. If you're upset you can't bank a lot of them, what does it matter if you aren't going to level them? You can't have everything. That's life.

[millie]

The problem with these quests is not that my now level 20 crafters cant turn them in. But that the materials consumed are no longer worth the reward received. The old 'expert' dailies gave better value for the materials consumed.

Either give low level crafters back the option of doing the old 'expert' dailies or provide an alternative reward to the "Pure Crystalised Insight", a 'master' box or a different kind of crystal that would provide XP rather than planar attunement.

BTW, leveling my crafters to 50 just so I can expend the "Pure Crystalised Insight" is just plain dumb. If I did not want to level these toons providing something that gives them progress in planar attunement is not a reward, they are crafters not raiders!

[Arianera]

I too am a bit pissed at this change. Penalizing crafters for NOT leveling their chars to 50?

I thought Trion/Rift catered to ALL types of game play. I think these changes have definitely taken a rather foul turn. Crafting should be enjoyable, something fun to do. Not another freaking grind to 50 just so you can craft.

Or let us learn anything we want on ONE toon.

Not all of us can spend 24/7 in the game. Nor can we level 8 lvl 50s. Let alone even want to.

I'm pretty pissed off. I have multiple accounts and toons that are self sufficient on both factions. But not all of my chars are lvl 50. So now I have to level them up just to be able to learn certain recipes, let alone be able to hand in daily crafting quests.

I'm livid over my mage (lvl 38) being able to learn the +19 INT seal after they came out, only to discover today that my lvl 29 warrior canNOT learn the same level +19 seal for DEX. I already have 2 level 50s on Faeblight. Why should I be forced to have 4 just to be able to CONTINUE to be self sufficient in crafting? This is BS.


Thanks for finally making me NOT able to say much that's good about crafting in Rift.

[Xillean]

This is a bad change for those who do not wish to level. Why cant you guys give us the option to either take the new 300 quest or chose to do the old one, or hell make it if your not 50 you get the old quest. I have 4 50's and no desire to grind my other 4 toons to 50 to be able to craft.

[Charlice]

Woah, ok now I'm getting cranky. I'm glad I haven't bothered with them lately on my lvl 33 crafting toon. I'd be spewing fireballs out my eyes!

Honestly can they get someone with a clue, to look after crafting perhaps.

And same as Xil. I have four level 50's. The only reason this one is even 33, is from doing crafting dailies.

And the reward shouldn't matter if it's the lvl 50 thing. The idiotic reward now for finishing Silverwood Quests is one of them too! Can't use it until 50... how handy.