hmm Paragon's Death Touch

[Sir Thrace]

Maybe the least used ability in a warrior's arsenal. Was playing around with it earlier out of curiosity. It actually does hit like a truck after those 8 seconds but I have a few questions about it.

Will its debuff effect raid bosses? If so it could be handy against physical damage bosses in hairy situations. Also, it is listed as a follow up attack, yet in all the playing around I did it never ONCE procced an extra attack point. Is this a bug? (Yes i have points in 100% follow up AP proc)

Probably a useless thread because most warriors don't even realize this ability exists but any thoughts would be cool. (been bored lately)

[MealRain]

The debuff effect does not go on Bosses. Raid or not that we have tested.

[Primalthirst]

Bosses do not have base stats, only Ap/Sp so the debuff does not affect them.

[Soulsurfing]

Last time i used it, it crit for less.than RW which.made it a dps loss.. Has that changed?

[Sir Thrace]

Last time i used it, it crit for less.than RW which.made it a dps loss.. Has that changed?

I'm pretty sure the tool tip says it hits for a considerable amount more than RW... however it is a moot point because it does not proc an extra attack point... even tho it is in fact a follow up attack.

[Clockwise]

Death touch doesn't add weapon damage, while rising waterfall adds 120%

[dday]

Replace this with an AOE finisher so we can use paragon more.

[Burnlogic]

Yes please. The 'big' Paragon finishers blow.
Death Touch and Flurry are quite undesirable, making high Paragon flavor in a build very undesirable.
And 51pt Paragon, well, never. Heck, even when I've had Flurry hitting like a truck ST, I dislike everything about it -- from gimpy channeling to cheesy sword animations.

[Burnlogic]

But yeah, I think we can all agree the Paragon hasn't felt quite right since the dps tweaks.

I used to play the 38 or 44 exclusively, and as we know you can still build a sweet ST ripper in a nice 44, but it's a combination of things -- timing changes on procs, underwhelming finishers, poop AoE -- that simply made the soul suddenly feel ineffectual.

At least in terms of it being a sketchy choice for a valid general purpose primary dps soul in a role.

It's abilities like Death Touch that help to illustrate why deeper Paragon flavor is pretty meh.

[Solisto]

It's funny that the best paragon finisher is fiery burst. (Aside from SLI)

[dday]

It's funny that the best paragon finisher is fiery burst. (Aside from SLI)

Wait till you get good id weapons and role 44/22 reaping havest crits for 9k with a shifting blades proc after. I love paragon right now for st i just wish i could use it in more fights. I just feel like the total lack of aoe makes this spec gimp compared to champ specs. I like flurry too but spending 51 points isnt viable for raids unless they added an OGCD ability to paragon like frenzied strike, changed death touch, and or added a 51 point buff instead of that horrible ability which increases auto attack(i dont even know the name is so pointless)

my biggest goal for expansion is to rework the paragon soul to make warriors who like dual wielding as a primary option be viable in both raids and pvp.

[Soulsurfing]

Scored 4.1k in 38 para on iztuiel pingpong with duel avenger swords this week. It ended up a wipe after a bit. >< But it let me see what might be possible. Until then i had never experienced para being competitive due to gear/pa issues. Nice to see its finally catching up to 2h.

But some more aoe and aoe finisher would be nice in para. Not as good as 51 champ. But enough that its useful or could be used for a dungeon run.

[MealRain]

Scored 4.1k in 38 para on iztuiel pingpong with duel avenger swords this week. It ended up a wipe after a bit. >< But it let me see what might be possible. Until then i had never experienced para being competitive due to gear/pa issues. Nice to see its finally catching up to 2h.

But some more aoe and aoe finisher would be nice in para. Not as good as 51 champ. But enough that its useful or could be used for a dungeon run.

Mighty Blow + PotH + Finisher
Mighty Blow + (insert anything here) + Finisher

Works gud in experts when I'm too lazy to care. Best AoE you'll get out of DW atm. (You can also spec into the additional MB targets in 38 para)

[TheGrinnz]

path of the hurricane is the best ranged AoE warriors get

[dday]

what i would like to see is paragon a little better then 2h for st and a little behind in aoe

the reality is paragon is a little ahead in st and so far behind in aoe it makes it impossible to play dw as a main spec.

right now a warrior can role 51 13 2 for every fight in the game and be compeitve that is not the case with dw which is pointless in any fight with adds. i hope for expansion this is fixed since i enjoy playing dw specs over 2h specs