Pauldrons of Burning Command

[Liapandra]

So, 11 hotfixes for 1.8 and still nothing for this itemization issue: the warrior shoulders you get from hardmode Conclave are worst than the unupgraded version or than the vendor ones.

Is it because it's intended or, since I didn't found any thread about it, because nobody ever complained ?

[Kaybriar]

I would also like to know this. I am sitting on the unupgraded version and have no desire to upgrade it at the moment. Was this intended?

[Schaduwtje]

It can't possible be intended. My bet is that they forgot to add the crit.

You gain 9 ap, but lose 21 crit. That can't be intended for an relic upgrade

[Mr Sandman]

Well, initially they were meant to be the BiS, whether the person doing itemization is just clueless or what, they are intentionally critless I believe. After conclave was released and hardmode beaten within the first day or two of it's release, trion decided that upgrading these to actually be BiS wasn't right considering how easy hardmode is. At least, this is what i've heard. There has been multiple topics complaining about the awful stats on the relic shoulders we make them downgrades from epic shoulders but I don't remember any dev responses to those threads. I wouldn't get your hopes up about the relic shoulders being of value for warriors anytime soon.

[Thargrom]

Well, initially they were meant to be the BiS, whether the person doing itemization is just clueless or what, they are intentionally critless I believe. After conclave was released and hardmode beaten within the first day or two of it's release, trion decided that upgrading these to actually be BiS wasn't right considering how easy hardmode is. At least, this is what i've heard. There has been multiple topics complaining about the awful stats on the relic shoulders we make them downgrades from epic shoulders but I don't remember any dev responses to those threads. I wouldn't get your hopes up about the relic shoulders being of value for warriors anytime soon.

They are BiS for every other class, just not warriors... which is why it leads me to believe that it was unintentional for them to be crit-less. Either way, "upgrading" a piece of gear to something with a lower over-all stat value is broken and can't be intended.

[Iliveunderabridge]

Agree with this post 100%

Also the cleric shoulders arnt exactly great.

[Mr Sandman]

They are BiS for every other class, just not warriors... which is why it leads me to believe that it was unintentional for them to be crit-less. Either way, "upgrading" a piece of gear to something with a lower over-all stat value is broken and can't be intended.

No they aren't, they are only BiS for rogues and mages because crit is part of their main stat. They are also BiS for a puri cleric, but I doubt any cleric would want to upgrade them for just one soul. They are also only better for tanks based on armor but worse stats from what i've heard (which may or may not make them better than epic).

[Thargrom]

No they aren't, they are only BiS for rogues and mages because crit is part of their main stat. They are also BiS for a puri cleric, but I doubt any cleric would want to upgrade them for just one soul. They are also only better for tanks based on armor but worse stats from what i've heard (which may or may not make them better than epic).

So, not quite BiS for everyone... just more than half of the classes in the game... the 2 most popular at that...

...and none of those other versions of the Council shoulders actually take a net stat loss by "upgrading" with the crystal.

We know what Trion's stat weights are for balancing gear... and for plate, they value 2 crit for each AP... gaining 9 AP for a loss of 21 Crit is a net stat loss on upgrade... cannot be intentional

[Zaiana]

The first set of ID relic gear (on the test server) they made was super AP/SP heavy and classes were saying that the loss of crit on all the gear was too much. So they rebalance a new set of gear and that became the mark gear we have now. The itemisation of the gear you get through upgrade crystals is exactly the same as the original mark gear. I think they kind of intended that those shoulders would be best because people would be hitting crit cap, since you don't as a warrior anymore though it's not worth it... either way it's still bad itemisation and Trion should dump a few points into that set somewhere.

[kneehao]

I can't believe this still isn't fixed >_<

[Banksyy]

Totally agree. Unfortunately for me I reliced them to get the shard first. Please add some crit to these puppies.

[Primalthirst]

Warrior DPS definitely have it worst.
But the Conclave shoulders are also inferior to Charred Shoulders for: Warrior Tanks, Cleric Tanks, Rogue Tanks, Non-Puri Clerics.
The only people they are better for are DPS Rogues and Mages.

I agree they should have been undoubtedly BiS for every spec, but then Hardmode should have been harder as well.

[Schaduwtje]

it's not about beeing BiS or not. I don't care if it's worse then normal ID shoulders.

What bothers me is that the UPGRADE item is worse then NON-UPGRADED item

[Gynxz]

it's not about beeing BiS or not. I don't care if it's worse then normal ID shoulders.

What bothers me is that the UPGRADE item is worse then NON-UPGRADED item

Still, this is the official statement from DECOY on the ID live stream and I quote "and Im told those relic shoulders are like super best in slot for everybody like they are by far the best shoulders in the game..."

Decoy......someone made a fool out of you in a public live stream. They made you lie DECOY.

[Soulsurfing]

it's not about beeing BiS or not. I don't care if it's worse then normal ID shoulders.

What bothers me is that the UPGRADE item is worse then NON-UPGRADED item

exactly.
the epic shoulders are nice. but you apply ereetu's focusing crystal and they go from 3rd BIS to 4th.
this is clearly an itemization issue.
The addition of some small amount of crit should be more then enough to make them nicer then the epics.

I'm not sure how to get ahold of that Josh itemization guy any more but he'd be the guy to go to.
If he still works for them.