AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[batou079]

The problem is that it is already in the hands of the only people that matter: the devs. It was done in the only way that matters for cross class balance: at equal PA and equal gear in a full raid setting. There is little point in most of the parses that have been posted here except for intra-class comparison. I'm sure that several guilds will do parses on the PTS with equal gear and equal PAs in full raid settings and these will also be submitted to the devs.

The net result will hopefully be targets buffs/debuff of various classes to get the DPS in line across classes. The biggest outlier right now btw is cleric DPS specs that are between 900-1000 DPS behind warriors.

Me posting parses here won't really accomplish anything. If you are curious, get your guild on PTS, get in equiv gear and settle upon equiv PAs, and parse in a full raid with all buffs/debuffs and all consumables. Then submit the full logs of the parses along with snaps of the raid DPS breakdowns, decided gear level (T1, T2, T3 BiS), and standardized PA level (T1, T2, T3) to the devs. The more people parsing on PTS in equiv gear levels and equiv PA levels with a full raid and submitting the full logs to the devs, the better. Whether you end up also posting your parses here or not doesn't really matter, this is just a forum and anything without a full combat log isn't that useful overall.

Hmm i see he is still dodging these parses he argues about. The "proof" is really in the pudding man.
Many of us do not have the resources or enough people to help raid buff us for parses on the PTS.

The people that HAVE done so have posted their parses in this thread and they do no reflect this imaginative 400-500 DPS advantage you say warriors have on PTS. Excuses like "it is pointless now" and "you do it yourself" and general dodging statements only make you seem like you are making things up and postering to save face on statements you cannot prove. Pull up the guild parses you are talking about and we will eat our words (the hard part is proving your supposed "impartial" tests all had comparitive gear levels, PA levels, and everyone did their rotation to their best)... but all in all, posting ANY proof whatsoever is a big step in actually adding anything worthwhile to the discussion, if only to prove you aren't simply trolling.

simple.

[Valthirus]

Reading Comp fail.

[gfiz]

No, it is NOT the same difference. % based stat improvements only use the base stat when calculating the improvement. That means that PA based bonuses are not effected by these buffs, they apply AFTER all other buffs.

and yet you still end up at one AP number, and one Crit number...how you get there shouldn't be at task right now, just how abilities scale at different levels. I get what you're saying, but arguing something that is irrelevant in the scope of how people are coming up with parses in this thread that allegedly Atrius using.

[Durango]

Hmm i see he is still dodging these parses he argues about. The "proof" is really in the pudding man.
Many of us do not have the resources or enough people to help raid buff us for parses on the PTS.

You aren't in a guild?

As far as posting parses, without actual combat logs, they have no real validity. Combatlogs are large multi-MB files than cannot be easily posted on the forum. I'm shocked that people actually trust photoshopable SS of easily spoofed programs...

The people that HAVE done so have posted their parses in this thread and they do no reflect this imaginative 400-500 DPS advantage you say warriors have on PTS.

Number of people who have posted full raid fully buffed/debuffed parses in equal gear with equal AP with all of the current warrior changes: 0.

Excuses like "it is pointless now" and "you do it yourself" and general dodging statements only make you seem like you are making things up and postering to save face on statements you cannot prove. Pull up the guild parses you are talking about and we will eat our words (the hard part is proving your supposed "impartial" tests all had comparitive gear levels, PA levels, and everyone did their rotation to their best)... but all in all, posting ANY proof whatsoever is a big step in actually adding anything worthwhile to the discussion, if only to prove you aren't simply trolling.

While it would be quite easy to troll this community (that thinks posted parses are worth a damn...), I am not trolling in any way, shape, or form. The parses and combatlogs are where they matter. And yes, you SHOULD get your raid on PTS and parse.

[jerwel]

I understand where you're coming from and agree wholeheartedly. But there are heaps of warriors who love the slow big hits and who would shout that they didn't roll a warrior to do magic damage if RB were the best 2h ST, or that they didn't roll a warrior to have a pet if it were BM, or whatever else along those lines.

Either way, at the end of the day it's kind of irrelevant. The bottom line is that unless Champion AoE capabilities are neutered I really don't see Champion ST being made compatible with the rest. I sincerely hope I am wrong but it's unlikely given the direction the devs seem to want to take.



Yep. And Trion has a stellar record of giving in to QQ.

Warriors=/=other classes. Other classes have things that we cannot do, so it is PERFECTLY acceptable for us to have things that they cannot do. They will likely complain no matter what we get in that regard, I mean heck they would complain if we have a 1% advantage in tanking. Champ is fine with good st and aoe, para's rdps needs a boost (and no it does not need mods in pvp {except poth}, 20 m range is its disadvantage).

No they cant because it never happened.

People just like to think we're the same as other classes and apply their design to us.

THIS X 100000 Warriors are not other classes and other classes are not warriors. They have things we cannot do, we should have things they cannot do (but dont really atm).

You aren't in a guild?

As far as posting parses, without actual combat logs, they have no real validity. Combatlogs are large multi-MB files than cannot be easily posted on the forum. I'm shocked that people actually trust photoshopable SS of easily spoofed programs...



Number of people who have posted full raid fully buffed/debuffed parses in equal gear with equal AP with all of the current warrior changes: 0.




While it would be quite easy to troll this community (that thinks posted parses are worth a damn...), I am not trolling in any way, shape, or form. The parses and combatlogs are where they matter. And yes, you SHOULD get your raid on PTS and parse.

page 297, full buffs, parse and breakdown posted. Post yours or stop talking, as at this point the whole community believes (and rightfully so) that you are a useless troll. Your post history shows your vendetta against the class, so if you do not want everyone to assume your another zyzzx, post your parse or get out of our thread.

[Angryweasel]

You aren't in a guild?

As far as posting parses, without actual combat logs, they have no real validity. Combatlogs are large multi-MB files than cannot be easily posted on the forum. I'm shocked that people actually trust photoshopable SS of easily spoofed programs...

Players would get nothing out of that and honestly nobody would waste their time trying to shop ACT resuts... Paranoia much?

Number of people who have posted full raid fully buffed/debuffed parses in equal gear with equal AP with all of the current warrior changes: 0.

Guess what players are not equal on live so to get the best results players with all type of gear and stats should post their results. Don't know why you think that having a static number would improve the balancing process when on live people dont have the same stats or even close.

While it would be quite easy to troll this community (that thinks posted parses are worth a damn...), I am not trolling in any way, shape, or form. The parses and combatlogs are where they matter. And yes, you SHOULD get your raid on PTS and parse.

I don't even know why you waste your time in this post your replies have not been helping at all and you keep posting weird delusions about parsing numbers where you have nothing to prove for your claims. All at the same time you mistrust actual parses put up by players that want to help our class.

If this is all you have to offer please take it some where else your input is not required/wanted.

[batou079]

As far as posting parses, without actual combat logs, they have no real validity. Combatlogs are large multi-MB files than cannot be easily posted on the forum. I'm shocked that people actually trust photoshopable SS of easily spoofed programs...

Number of people who have posted full raid fully buffed/debuffed parses in equal gear with equal AP with all of the current warrior changes: 0.

While it would be quite easy to troll this community (that thinks posted parses are worth a damn...), I am not trolling in any way, shape, or form. The parses and combatlogs are where they matter. And yes, you SHOULD get your raid on PTS and parse.

- You are now declaring parses useless as well, without combatlogs. Despite continually making word of mouth claims. You flip flop on opinions nonstop, and preach "validity" while making claims yourself with not even the most subjective of proof (parses). Please, stop, you are acting foolish.

- Declaring no parses with equal level gear... Again, you continue to declaring universal facts based on zero personal knowledge of said parses, people or guilds. And yet, you continue to declare warriors "OP" on PTS by 400-500 based on... what you say. not even the most "useless" of proof items like parses.

- It is easy to troll any class forum, you just happen to be widely known to alwayyysss sit here and troll our forums. I post on rogue forums all the time, with zero inflamatory or hostile posts. Because i like my rogue as well. As for people getting full raids on PTS... yes, because we are all in hardcore guilds who can schedule time outside of raids nights to get our whole raid on the PTS server. Sorry, its more rare than you think. If you are delusional enough, then yes, everyone has as much hardcore status to easily get PTS raid parses as eachother... yes. Wait, no. This is why class communities are so vital.

EDIT: Oh and yet again dodges where you got your "proof" from after preaching how useless parses are... and yet word of mouth from you is supposed to suffice? Interesting.

[Galibier]

hard data is only useless to the person who can not (either due to skill, gear, time etc) to the person who can not personally replicate it and is too prideful to admit such.

[InuNoTaishou]

Atrius/Daglar, any status on plate DPS gears benefiting warriors ? Or will Leather DPS Helm, boots, and etc. still offer better stats than the plate counterpart in across all tiers including ID?

[Kiika]

Why even bother testing with the Gi at all when 96% of the ppoulation wont even have the dam thing on live. I honestly dont know anyone on my shard with it

[Durango]

page 297, full buffs, parse and breakdown posted. Post yours or stop talking, as at this point the whole community believes (and rightfully so) that you are a useless troll. Your post history shows your vendetta against the class, so if you do not want everyone to assume your another zyzzx, post your parse or get out of our thread.

There is no page 297. If you want to reference a post, the post number is the proper way to reference it as page numbers are pretty variable depending on configuration.

[Sebb]

There is no page 297. If you want to reference a post, the post number is the proper way to reference it as page numbers are pretty variable depending on configuration.

Check right after page 296

[Itseotle]

There is no page 297. If you want to reference a post, the post number is the proper way to reference it as page numbers are pretty variable depending on configuration.

I help you out
Page 297

[batou079]

Check right after page 296

Let's make it easier, here is a link directly to the post he is referring to. It was page 297 for me...
http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ml#post3697800

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[Dire]

Warriors=/=other classes. Other classes have things that we cannot do, so it is PERFECTLY acceptable for us to have things that they cannot do. They will likely complain no matter what we get in that regard, I mean heck they would complain if we have a 1% advantage in tanking. Champ is fine with good st and aoe, para's rdps needs a boost (and no it does not need mods in pvp {except poth}, 20 m range is its disadvantage).

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THIS X 100000 Warriors are not other classes and other classes are not warriors. They have things we cannot do, we should have things they cannot do (but dont really atm).

I don't actually disagree with you, which you would see if you read what I said in its entirety. Good luck convincing the rest of the callings, though, and more importantly Trion... who never ever give under the pressure of massive QQ.